Motor Swap S-Type to V10
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New user guys!
New owner as well..
We'll it's inevitable.. I am hoping to make a sleeper out of my Jag.
Currently it has a 3.0L V6 (Ford Block I believe).
Has anyone successfully swapped out the V6 with a Ford V8/V10?
I am hoping to swap it with either:
Triton V10 6.8L
Ford V8 5.4L
Ford V8 5.0L
Anybody with experience in insight into this swap? The current 3.0L sounds a bit tired and a replacement motor for a Jag with install is north of $4k!
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Jordan
New owner as well..
We'll it's inevitable.. I am hoping to make a sleeper out of my Jag.
Currently it has a 3.0L V6 (Ford Block I believe).
Has anyone successfully swapped out the V6 with a Ford V8/V10?
I am hoping to swap it with either:
Triton V10 6.8L
Ford V8 5.4L
Ford V8 5.0L
Anybody with experience in insight into this swap? The current 3.0L sounds a bit tired and a replacement motor for a Jag with install is north of $4k!
Thanks
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Jordan
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Better grab a tall cold one and enjoy this: https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/s...-engine-33719/
The amount of work, money and expertise required makes this a task very few would want to undertake. The V6 engines found in S-types is based on a Ford design but that does not mean that the car is a better candidate for any other type of Ford engine.
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+1, generally if you have to come onto a forum to ask this sort of question, you're completely unprepared to undertake such a project,
the amount of custom work and fabrication required would buy you a whole collection of STR's,
Here's a question; why did you buy an S-type that appears to be 'tired' and needs a $4k engine swap?
What constitutes a 'tired engine' anyways, to require a new one relatively soon?
the amount of custom work and fabrication required would buy you a whole collection of STR's,
Here's a question; why did you buy an S-type that appears to be 'tired' and needs a $4k engine swap?
What constitutes a 'tired engine' anyways, to require a new one relatively soon?
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It will cost you a fortune to undertake such a project. Sell it, buy an S Type R, and with the tens of thousands you will have left over, go on a nice vacation.
Keep in mind after you pack in a bigger motor, you will ned to modify the suspension, tranny, and brakes. Just sell your car for an S Type R and call it a day or be happy with what you got
Keep in mind after you pack in a bigger motor, you will ned to modify the suspension, tranny, and brakes. Just sell your car for an S Type R and call it a day or be happy with what you got
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I'll try to add something positive then. ![Smile](https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif)
Good for you, nothing wrong with thinking big. I recently looked in to a similar type of project, with a 2000 S-Type.
The problem is, that with such a modern car, you have Canbus.
In order to do an engine conversion you need to run a completely separate ECU to manage the engine, but in doing so, none of the other systems in the car will work. This means either finding a way to get the Canbus working with the new engine, or completely re-wire the car & taking components from other, older vehicles, that do not rely on Canbus.
It's a massive undertaking. You can't just take out a "Ford V6" and drop in a "Ford V8 or V10" with these cars.
The closest you will get, is maybe Jaguar Specialties can do something with an LSx conversion. It's been done on XJ's & XK's from the same period.
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...gallery-77717/
The project I was looking into would have been a race car, but street registered. Using a Kenne Bell equipped 4.2L Jaguar engine, 6-speed manual, full standalone ECU, standalone ABS system, and the whole car re-wried. I cooled on the idea when the cost estimate hit $50K.
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Good for you, nothing wrong with thinking big. I recently looked in to a similar type of project, with a 2000 S-Type.
The problem is, that with such a modern car, you have Canbus.
In order to do an engine conversion you need to run a completely separate ECU to manage the engine, but in doing so, none of the other systems in the car will work. This means either finding a way to get the Canbus working with the new engine, or completely re-wire the car & taking components from other, older vehicles, that do not rely on Canbus.
It's a massive undertaking. You can't just take out a "Ford V6" and drop in a "Ford V8 or V10" with these cars.
The closest you will get, is maybe Jaguar Specialties can do something with an LSx conversion. It's been done on XJ's & XK's from the same period.
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...gallery-77717/
The project I was looking into would have been a race car, but street registered. Using a Kenne Bell equipped 4.2L Jaguar engine, 6-speed manual, full standalone ECU, standalone ABS system, and the whole car re-wried. I cooled on the idea when the cost estimate hit $50K.
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He asked for experience and insight, the answers are excellent and spot on. To say otherwise or give false hope is not doing anyone a favour. The good old days of putting a Chev engine with a Ford rear end in a Buick over a few beers in the back shed are long gone.
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Reading it all stirred some memories, or maybe nightmares.
Back a long while ago, when I was younger and sillier, I read about a 6ltr V12 in a MK2. OK, NOT a current S Type, but I reckon the work involved would be similar.
Interested I did lots of enquiring. The engine bay was "tubbed" seriously, and the springs beefed, as was most of the front suspension, S2(4 pot) calipers etc, etc used.
I also gleened that "thousands of hours" was consumed in doing the transfer.
The car drove SWEET, and was a SLEEPER in the real terms of the phrase.
When we first got our S Type, and coming from many, many years of V12's, I casually commented to the same guy, that a V12 in here would be nice. The "death look" was priceless.
It was a joke at the time, but I suppose if you are determined enough, and financially flush, anything is do-able.
I would get an S Type "R" if my brain went AWOL like that again.
Back a long while ago, when I was younger and sillier, I read about a 6ltr V12 in a MK2. OK, NOT a current S Type, but I reckon the work involved would be similar.
Interested I did lots of enquiring. The engine bay was "tubbed" seriously, and the springs beefed, as was most of the front suspension, S2(4 pot) calipers etc, etc used.
I also gleened that "thousands of hours" was consumed in doing the transfer.
The car drove SWEET, and was a SLEEPER in the real terms of the phrase.
When we first got our S Type, and coming from many, many years of V12's, I casually commented to the same guy, that a V12 in here would be nice. The "death look" was priceless.
It was a joke at the time, but I suppose if you are determined enough, and financially flush, anything is do-able.
I would get an S Type "R" if my brain went AWOL like that again.
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Dude! You'd hire it done to replace same with same but you fancy taking on a major, never-been-done-before swap?!?!
("not very Eddie" as we say in my household)
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Thanks for the replies... from most of you at least.
I have done several swaps in the past with TR-6's, imports, american cars. I wasn't looking for an STypeR (400HP is no where near what I want to put down) otherwise I would have bought an S Type R... I'm not an idiot...
I understand that these are complicated jobs which why I am asking to see if anyone has done it before I do it to make my life a bit easier.
I have done several swaps in the past with TR-6's, imports, american cars. I wasn't looking for an STypeR (400HP is no where near what I want to put down) otherwise I would have bought an S Type R... I'm not an idiot...
I understand that these are complicated jobs which why I am asking to see if anyone has done it before I do it to make my life a bit easier.
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Not quite sure why you're dead set on that specific set of engines since most of the variants produce LESS power than the Type R that you've already discounted. Some produce less that the the V6 you've already got in fact.
Maybe it's us that are the idiots.
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In the past, I used to own a Mercedes C220 that I bought and had installed a Mosselman Turbo kit onto. It was a very expensive endeavor - about $10k in engine modifications alone. After that, my car would stall randomly (even in thick traffic). It was a bit of a headache. And though it made my car faster, it was still not as fast as its AMG counterpart - the AMG C43 or C36. If I could have done it over again, I would have sold my C220, and with the money saved on egnine modifications alone, could have bought an AMG C43, and that would have already come with more power, bigger brakes, bigger wheels, AMG bodykit, AMG interior, etc. That is why I advise you to sell your car and just buy the in-house tuner verision of it, the S Type R. I speak from experience. Oh and turboing is far cheaper than a motor swap so maybe you should just consider that if you really want to keep your car but make it go faster. But then your ECU won't know wtf is going on.