Removing the Navigation limitation on entry while driving?
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I know this has been asked several times, but have not seen any answers. Has anyone ever figured out how to remove the highly annoying limitation on the navigation system yet (no entries while driving)? I have a 2004 S-Type and it's driving me crazy. Seems like there should be some sort of hack out there to accomplish this by now. I've scoured the Internet (eBay, Jag boards, Google, etc.) to no avail. I know there's one for Toyota systems and several other manufacturers. Apparently the UK version of the maps DVD (JAGUAR PART # 1X43-10E898-BK) allows this work around, but not sure if the latest US version does or not (JAGUAR PART #1X43-10E898-BF), but I doubt it?
And before it starts - I'm just looking for answers, not sermons. I agree that a driver shouldn't be entering data while driving no matter how good they are at multi-tasking, but there's NO REASON a passenger shouldn't be able to (my wife is with me frequently when driving this car). I'm just hoping some brilliant Jag enthusiast or technician on this forum has got the low-down and hook-up on this so all of us with Nav can be free and enjoy this costly feature even more.
Thanks a ton in advance for any info.
And before it starts - I'm just looking for answers, not sermons. I agree that a driver shouldn't be entering data while driving no matter how good they are at multi-tasking, but there's NO REASON a passenger shouldn't be able to (my wife is with me frequently when driving this car). I'm just hoping some brilliant Jag enthusiast or technician on this forum has got the low-down and hook-up on this so all of us with Nav can be free and enjoy this costly feature even more.
Thanks a ton in advance for any info.
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Funny thing happened. I read the previous thread that's similar to this one from "phattydeluxe", but for some reason got confused with other older ones, so thought I'd refresh the topic. Only after submitting did I realize it appears on the same page - so I apologize for the redundancy - my bad.
However, the same questions still goes unanswered and it seems a lot would benefit from it (and the other thread became a philosophical discussion without any answers). Any tech geniuses out there that can step up and solve this quagmire?
However, the same questions still goes unanswered and it seems a lot would benefit from it (and the other thread became a philosophical discussion without any answers). Any tech geniuses out there that can step up and solve this quagmire?
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I think that I saw a post somewhere on this forum where a guy bought a special disk on E-bay that was supposedto remove that restriction. I believe that the disk was designed to work with the UK version so I don't know if it will work with US navigation systems. If I remember correctly the user tried the disk on his system, but it didn't make any changes for him. I would recommend doing a search on this forum or search the expired E-bay listings for it.
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I did a quick google search utilizing the phrase ‘OEM Alpine Navigation’ and it turns out that Acura and BMW also use Alpine. Acura for sure, so I would troll on the Acura boards 1) to find out which year and model is compatible 2) what do they use? Try acurazine.com
It’s doable someone just wants to have this bad enough to do the research. http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2681262/4
Shoot on my RX8 I did a swich of the OEM dvd based Navi for a full dvd player that plays movies and still reads the Navi disc. This is for the bose system though.
It’s doable someone just wants to have this bad enough to do the research. http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2681262/4
Shoot on my RX8 I did a swich of the OEM dvd based Navi for a full dvd player that plays movies and still reads the Navi disc. This is for the bose system though.
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I think that I saw a post somewhere on this forum where a guy bought a special disk on E-bay that was supposed to remove that restriction. I believe that the disk was designed to work with the UK version so I don't know if it will work with US navigation systems. If I remember correctly the user tried the disk on his system, but it didn't make any changes for him. I would recommend doing a search on this forum or search the expired E-bay listings for it.
I think that I saw a post somewhere on this forum where a guy bought a special disk on E-bay that was supposed to remove that restriction. I believe that the disk was designed to work with the UK version so I don't know if it will work with US navigation systems. If I remember correctly the user tried the disk on his system, but it didn't make any changes for him. I would recommend doing a search on this forum or search the expired E-bay listings for it.
Momo: My car (2004 S-Type) has the Denso based navigation system, so any Alpine unlock would not work for me. Thanks for the idea though.
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Really? All this time I ASSsumed that because I have the Alpine premium system that the Navi was Alpine based. I hate to sound stupid how do you know that it is made by Denso? I’m asking because I just looked at mine and I just see Jaguar written on it.
Well I just did another search, this time I used the phrase Denso OEM Navi and found outthat Denso also supplies Lexus, Toyota, & Caddy with OEM Navi’s.
By the way mine is also a 2004 S.
Well I just did another search, this time I used the phrase Denso OEM Navi and found outthat Denso also supplies Lexus, Toyota, & Caddy with OEM Navi’s.
By the way mine is also a 2004 S.
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When looking at my Nav DVD, it has a Denso part number on it. When looking on eBay, I find those same DVDs for sale (newer and older versions) and they caution against buying it for an Alpine system (and vice versa for the Alpine DVDs). Also the interface on my car is considerable different than the Alpine ones I've seen. The graphical user interface is not as fancy as those seen on Acuras.
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To answer that question, most audio shops will do it for a fee. I'm not sure on all the brands that can be overridden though. They can do the same for your DVD player at the same time...for a fee of course. That was the the sole reason I copped the Clarion instead of the Kenwood.
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I don't know...When out of park, it allows you to navigate to home or previously enter addresses only, can't enter new addresses or see any POIs...
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I have 2004 XKR with Alpine. The CD is Jag Part #LJG2441GA and Alpine Part #BM9JU91E
I googled "Navtech hack" and came across this site below. Using their software hack "as-is" will most likely fry your system, but it provides great insight.
Nav In-Motion Disable Completed, Patch Available!
They came up with instructions on how to modify the MAIN.AFN file on the DVD- this file provides the nav unit with it's configuration code. It's an awfully clever hack. On these units, you get full access while the car is traveling under 10mph. Using the systems own logic, the hack tricks the unit into bypassing the loop that checks the speed, thereby never switching to "restricted" mode. Apparently it still reports your speed correctly and all other functions work as designed.
So it's doable, you just need the right version. Mine is too old, not the AE version of Navteq they require. My folder names don't match up, and is clearly older than the AE version released in Sept of 2006. However, they post the fix in great detail. Some enterprising young would be computer hacker (with more time on their hands than me) could make the same modifications for an older version.
There is a caveat that the original site says "this doesn't work on older versions." I take this to mean their compiled code hack must match exactly to the source compiled file. However, if you follow their instructions on what to do with the uncompiled code, you could recreate this hack on any version, as long as you are familiar with disassembling C code and recompiling. Or maybe some of you have the right version.
Doing this wrong, by the way, can brick the Nav.
I googled "Navtech hack" and came across this site below. Using their software hack "as-is" will most likely fry your system, but it provides great insight.
Nav In-Motion Disable Completed, Patch Available!
They came up with instructions on how to modify the MAIN.AFN file on the DVD- this file provides the nav unit with it's configuration code. It's an awfully clever hack. On these units, you get full access while the car is traveling under 10mph. Using the systems own logic, the hack tricks the unit into bypassing the loop that checks the speed, thereby never switching to "restricted" mode. Apparently it still reports your speed correctly and all other functions work as designed.
So it's doable, you just need the right version. Mine is too old, not the AE version of Navteq they require. My folder names don't match up, and is clearly older than the AE version released in Sept of 2006. However, they post the fix in great detail. Some enterprising young would be computer hacker (with more time on their hands than me) could make the same modifications for an older version.
There is a caveat that the original site says "this doesn't work on older versions." I take this to mean their compiled code hack must match exactly to the source compiled file. However, if you follow their instructions on what to do with the uncompiled code, you could recreate this hack on any version, as long as you are familiar with disassembling C code and recompiling. Or maybe some of you have the right version.
Doing this wrong, by the way, can brick the Nav.
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This is most odd. The UK guys have loaned out their newer disk at meets just to let people remove that limitation. You just need to borrow the disk once, to load the newer firmware, then you can go back to your old disk for its maps. Seems you guys need to borrow/buy a UK disk - but surely not???
You could at least join the UK forum (I don't get a kickback lol, besides it's free) and ask someone to confirm I've got it right.
You could at least join the UK forum (I don't get a kickback lol, besides it's free) and ask someone to confirm I've got it right.
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This is most odd. The UK guys have loaned out their newer disk at meets just to let people remove that limitation. You just need to borrow the disk once, to load the newer firmware, then you can go back to your old disk for its maps. Seems you guys need to borrow/buy a UK disk - but surely not???
You could at least join the UK forum (I don't get a kickback lol, besides it's free) and ask someone to confirm I've got it right.
You could at least join the UK forum (I don't get a kickback lol, besides it's free) and ask someone to confirm I've got it right.
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I got this car one month ago and have tried to get rid of this limitation on the navi while driving but still not able to have this settled. Got an appointment with the dealer as the sales guy said he could help me to have this removed and I could use it right away...wish me good luck and I would update if I am lucky!