S Type drift project HELP!!
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So type drift project HELP!!!
Hi there. New to this guys. I have a few questions I need help with please.
bought a 2003 2.5 petrol manual s type today. Hoping to turn it into a summer drift car. Need help with the following
1. Restricted performance alert on dash.
this is due to knock sensor. As car will not be used on roads but on a track can thsee warnings be bypassed? I don't want to be dealing with this constantly so really is there a final solution to just stop all this warnings altogether? (Snip a wire or 2. Plug outhe some sensors)?
2. Welding the diff. Will this also cause issues with warnings and restricted performance?
I know it will cause wear and tear but I picked the car up today for €250 and it's going to be used on a track so wear and tear is not an issue
3. Any other tips or advice? Thanks in advance. And as I said above the car will be a summer drift car not an everyday car so make shift jobs to bypass these problems will not be an issue. Just anything to keep it from going into restricted performance mode
bought a 2003 2.5 petrol manual s type today. Hoping to turn it into a summer drift car. Need help with the following
1. Restricted performance alert on dash.
this is due to knock sensor. As car will not be used on roads but on a track can thsee warnings be bypassed? I don't want to be dealing with this constantly so really is there a final solution to just stop all this warnings altogether? (Snip a wire or 2. Plug outhe some sensors)?
2. Welding the diff. Will this also cause issues with warnings and restricted performance?
I know it will cause wear and tear but I picked the car up today for €250 and it's going to be used on a track so wear and tear is not an issue
3. Any other tips or advice? Thanks in advance. And as I said above the car will be a summer drift car not an everyday car so make shift jobs to bypass these problems will not be an issue. Just anything to keep it from going into restricted performance mode
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Ciaran, you will probably want to get the knock sensor dealt with. The reason why I say this is that the ECU uses the knock sensor to determine how far to advance the timing to maximize horsepower. If it senses the sensor not working, then it goes to a conservative timing advance which will result in lost power. Besides, on the 2.5/3.0L motors, the knock sensor is easy to get to and shouldn't take you long to get repaired.
As for disabling the check engine light, I am sure a person with a ECU programmer could turn it off for you since the car will not be placed on the road. May even be able to get a few more horses out of the engine by getting rid of some of the conservatism that Jaguar put into the engine.
As for welding the rear end. Go for it. Not going to cause the car to see any issues. It won't know the difference.
As for other advice, if you are looking for a drift car, getting one with the 4.0L (V8) would probably make things easier to do. I would also question the engine that you are stating. While I am not an expert on the S-Type (more into X-Types and XJs), it is my understanding that the S-Type only came with the 3.0L V6 or the 4.0/4.2L V8 (there was also a diesel variant, but we don't have that here in the US). The 3.0L motor will do you good and it will have lots of low end grunt to help break the wheels loose for drifting. As for getting more power out of the engine, look up performance parts for the Ford Duratec 3.0L motor. The Jaguar and Ford engines share some common parts and you can get some easy bolt ons to up the power (long tube headers would be a good start, they will bolt right up).
As for disabling the check engine light, I am sure a person with a ECU programmer could turn it off for you since the car will not be placed on the road. May even be able to get a few more horses out of the engine by getting rid of some of the conservatism that Jaguar put into the engine.
As for welding the rear end. Go for it. Not going to cause the car to see any issues. It won't know the difference.
As for other advice, if you are looking for a drift car, getting one with the 4.0L (V8) would probably make things easier to do. I would also question the engine that you are stating. While I am not an expert on the S-Type (more into X-Types and XJs), it is my understanding that the S-Type only came with the 3.0L V6 or the 4.0/4.2L V8 (there was also a diesel variant, but we don't have that here in the US). The 3.0L motor will do you good and it will have lots of low end grunt to help break the wheels loose for drifting. As for getting more power out of the engine, look up performance parts for the Ford Duratec 3.0L motor. The Jaguar and Ford engines share some common parts and you can get some easy bolt ons to up the power (long tube headers would be a good start, they will bolt right up).
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Thanks for the reply thermo. Ok so I'll deal with the the knock sensor issue anyway. Will one lap of drifting set off a ton of sensors do you think? That is my biggest fear. To go to the effort to get it ready and then bring it to the track only for it to end up in restricted performance mode after 10 minutes? That's gonna ruin anybodys days
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JagV8 (04-14-2017)
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I think your best bet is to 1) fix the knock sensors as stated above, then 2) get out on a track and do some laps to see if you trigger any other sensors BEFORE you go to all the trouble and expense of implementing other conversion strategies.
IOW, find out if this is the right car for drifting before investing a lot of time and money in customizing it for drifting. But fix the knock sensors first as they do affect how the engine runs. It's a relatively inexpensive fix.
IOW, find out if this is the right car for drifting before investing a lot of time and money in customizing it for drifting. But fix the knock sensors first as they do affect how the engine runs. It's a relatively inexpensive fix.
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Thanks for all the replies. Much appreciated
ok so plan is
1 sort out knock sensor becausee it's not a big deal anyway
2 weld diff
3 hydraulic handbrake (can be taken out when car is of no use anymore so worth the effot)
4 strip put interior
5 go to a cheap local track and test it out
will check back in with progress or any issues that may arise. Cheers guys
ok so plan is
1 sort out knock sensor becausee it's not a big deal anyway
2 weld diff
3 hydraulic handbrake (can be taken out when car is of no use anymore so worth the effot)
4 strip put interior
5 go to a cheap local track and test it out
will check back in with progress or any issues that may arise. Cheers guys
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Jumpin' Jag Flash (04-17-2017)
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Maybe your right. Just sort sensor and bring it out before anything else but will probably weld diff also because guaranteed it will be useless without that being done anyway. Stripping interior costs nothing but time so if I've got some free time I'll get that done. The only thing I may skip will be converting electric handbrake to hydraulic one. As this will cost both time and money. Cheers guys
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Jumpin' Jag Flash (04-17-2017)
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Ok thanks. And so was this the case with jeremy clarkson and the s type he took to a track? Did it just "not drift"? Or was there others failures due to sensors and electrics restricting the cars performance as a result of racing it? So all round useless in the end? Ive spoken to a guy yesterday who uses one to drift regularly with ni issues so im feeling more confident about it now. Cheers for the input. Im trying to find video of the laps right now
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Ok thanks. And so was this the case with jeremy clarkson and the s type he took to a track? Did it just "not drift"? Or was there others failures due to sensors and electrics restricting the cars performance as a result of racing it? So all round useless in the end? Ive spoken to a guy yesterday who uses one to drift regularly with ni issues so im feeling more confident about it now. Cheers for the input. Im trying to find video of the laps right now