S Type Purchase Advice
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The vendor of this S Type has sent me the pictures above. The car has just passed MOT with no advisories listed. The sub frame looks quite corroded to me, I'm told this is surface corrosion. This is the first time I've considered buying a Jaguar so I'd like to know how this car looks to the experienced eye. Is it worth considering and what can be done to protect the sub frame from further decay?
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Not much detail on the value/price, model, condition and mileage of the car....
Some good advice above. I would wait for some more opinions from the more rust prone area forum members if they chime in.
Where I live we have little rust problems. The sill has some body rust around one of the jacking points but overall doesn't look too bad for a UK car. The rear end is not too impressive but nothing that cannot be repaired/replaced from just looking at the photos. I know in the UK and other areas with salt/snow or coastal exposure that this may be normal for a car of this age.
Nothing money cant fix here, overall this is all repairable and treatable. Remember though mechanical issues are usually cheaper to fix than body issues.
The annual roadworthy/MOT debate comes up here in Australia but to my constant surprise they always seem to knock it on the head. Surprising from this heavily taxed backward country of ours but don't worry if the government could make a profit on it they would introduce it without hesitation. They crap on about how expensive it would end up being to administer.
A roadworthy certificate/MOT is however a requirement when transferring a title as in this case.
Some good advice above. I would wait for some more opinions from the more rust prone area forum members if they chime in.
Where I live we have little rust problems. The sill has some body rust around one of the jacking points but overall doesn't look too bad for a UK car. The rear end is not too impressive but nothing that cannot be repaired/replaced from just looking at the photos. I know in the UK and other areas with salt/snow or coastal exposure that this may be normal for a car of this age.
Nothing money cant fix here, overall this is all repairable and treatable. Remember though mechanical issues are usually cheaper to fix than body issues.
The annual roadworthy/MOT debate comes up here in Australia but to my constant surprise they always seem to knock it on the head. Surprising from this heavily taxed backward country of ours but don't worry if the government could make a profit on it they would introduce it without hesitation. They crap on about how expensive it would end up being to administer.
A roadworthy certificate/MOT is however a requirement when transferring a title as in this case.
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That seems like a lot of rust. I wonder if this particular car was in a flood, where an insurance company would have a record. The S-Type was the most widely produced Jaguar, and just from Craigslist posts, there are plenty of examples in much better condition than what was on the lift.
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craigslist cars in GA or wherever will commonly have had a much kinder climate.
If I wanted another I'd want an STR but that aside at least the car shown is in good condition for the UK bearing in mind it has to be at least 12 yrs old (last made 2007, but some sold 2008).
However, if you don't do basic DIY like fluid & brake changes any car that age could be costly.
If I wanted another I'd want an STR but that aside at least the car shown is in good condition for the UK bearing in mind it has to be at least 12 yrs old (last made 2007, but some sold 2008).
However, if you don't do basic DIY like fluid & brake changes any car that age could be costly.
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Not much detail on the value/price, model, condition and mileage of the car....
Some good advice above. I would wait for some more opinions from the more rust prone area forum members if they chime in.
Where I live we have little rust problems. The sill has some body rust around one of the jacking points but overall doesn't look too bad for a UK car. The rear end is not too impressive but nothing that cannot be repaired/replaced from just looking at the photos. I know in the UK and other areas with salt/snow or coastal exposure that this may be normal for a car of this age.
Nothing money cant fix here, overall this is all repairable and treatable. Remember though mechanical issues are usually cheaper to fix than body issues.
The annual roadworthy/MOT debate comes up here in Australia but to my constant surprise they always seem to knock it on the head. Surprising from this heavily taxed backward country of ours but don't worry if the government could make a profit on it they would introduce it without hesitation. They crap on about how expensive it would end up being to administer.
A roadworthy certificate/MOT is however a requirement when transferring a title as in this case.
Some good advice above. I would wait for some more opinions from the more rust prone area forum members if they chime in.
Where I live we have little rust problems. The sill has some body rust around one of the jacking points but overall doesn't look too bad for a UK car. The rear end is not too impressive but nothing that cannot be repaired/replaced from just looking at the photos. I know in the UK and other areas with salt/snow or coastal exposure that this may be normal for a car of this age.
Nothing money cant fix here, overall this is all repairable and treatable. Remember though mechanical issues are usually cheaper to fix than body issues.
The annual roadworthy/MOT debate comes up here in Australia but to my constant surprise they always seem to knock it on the head. Surprising from this heavily taxed backward country of ours but don't worry if the government could make a profit on it they would introduce it without hesitation. They crap on about how expensive it would end up being to administer.
A roadworthy certificate/MOT is however a requirement when transferring a title as in this case.
The car is a mid price range 4.0 V8, one owner, under 50K miles. I think it's had little use for the last few years. Yep, the rear sub frame bothers me the most. I'm ok with the sills. The car does live near the coast but I think salt on the roads here is the main cause. The sub frame must be quite a costly item to replace when it does go as it looks like you'd need to drop out the entire rear axle assembly with it ... And at that point you'd be asking if the car is worth it and probably selling it for parts, which is not something I want to be doing in a few years time.
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craigslist cars in GA or wherever will commonly have had a much kinder climate.
If I wanted another I'd want an STR but that aside at least the car shown is in good condition for the UK bearing in mind it has to be at least 12 yrs old (last made 2007, but some sold 2008).
However, if you don't do basic DIY like fluid & brake changes any car that age could be costly.
If I wanted another I'd want an STR but that aside at least the car shown is in good condition for the UK bearing in mind it has to be at least 12 yrs old (last made 2007, but some sold 2008).
However, if you don't do basic DIY like fluid & brake changes any car that age could be costly.
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I have to say that if you do not get an STR you will forever wish you had!
I had this with my 4.0 XJ40 Sovereign, I always wished I had waited and spent a bit more to get a Daimler version!
But it is your choice and the 4.0 will be a lot cheaper than an STR.
That said the STR's are holding their value where as the 4.0 are getting cheaper all the time!
Mellow
I had this with my 4.0 XJ40 Sovereign, I always wished I had waited and spent a bit more to get a Daimler version!
But it is your choice and the 4.0 will be a lot cheaper than an STR.
That said the STR's are holding their value where as the 4.0 are getting cheaper all the time!
Mellow
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I have to say that if you do not get an STR you will forever wish you had!
I had this with my 4.0 XJ40 Sovereign, I always wished I had waited and spent a bit more to get a Daimler version!
But it is your choice and the 4.0 will be a lot cheaper than an STR.
That said the STR's are holding their value where as the 4.0 are getting cheaper all the time!
Mellow
I had this with my 4.0 XJ40 Sovereign, I always wished I had waited and spent a bit more to get a Daimler version!
But it is your choice and the 4.0 will be a lot cheaper than an STR.
That said the STR's are holding their value where as the 4.0 are getting cheaper all the time!
Mellow
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The car in question seems to need the undercarriage sanded and sprayed in primer. It also would need new bushes at minimum. If you just want a
“starter” Jag, and if you can get it cheap, then this might be a good deal, because as Jeremy Clarkson would say: “It’s a Jaaaaaaaaag”
“starter” Jag, and if you can get it cheap, then this might be a good deal, because as Jeremy Clarkson would say: “It’s a Jaaaaaaaaag”
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UPDATE: I went to see the car this week and I've decided to buy it! They put it up on the ramp for me so I could have a good look at the underside. The subframe has now been treated and it certainly looks like it's got plenty of life left in it to me! There's a leaking aircon pipe to be replaced and then I'll be driving it away. Thank you all for your input in helping me make a decision.
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One of my X-type Jaguars is an east coast car, and had similar signs of rust. Even though it has been a reliable car, It has been a PITA getting bolts out of the suspension to do service and part replacement. I wont purchase another one that looks similar to yours. I suppose everyone needs to experience a corroded suspension and bolts at least once.
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One of my X-type Jaguars is an east coast car, and had similar signs of rust. Even though it has been a reliable car, It has been a PITA getting bolts out of the suspension to do service and part replacement. I wont purchase another one that looks similar to yours. I suppose everyone needs to experience a corroded suspension and bolts at least once.
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On our S-types, I've had to put on penetrating oil, let it sit, unthread the bolt past the protruding threads, then the thread the bolt back in, spray on more penetrating out, blow off with air. I repeat this process until the bolt unthreads smoothly. (With the Nyloc nuts, I find that the corrosion on the threads often ruins the nylon locking area and one has to use new nuts.)
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Forgot to ask if you closed the deal?
I was looking at your images again, and the rear sub-frame looks to have the majority of the corrosion. I suspect this is because Jaguar, in their wisdom, (along with many other manufacturers) appear to use a paint dipping process on sub frames rather than a primer and better paint. The paint that is applied on the sub-frames appears to be more cosmetic than protective. I don't think that they care that it rusts and quickly looks ugly. (Same thing with differential housings, axles, driveshafts and steel suspension parts.
I was looking at your images again, and the rear sub-frame looks to have the majority of the corrosion. I suspect this is because Jaguar, in their wisdom, (along with many other manufacturers) appear to use a paint dipping process on sub frames rather than a primer and better paint. The paint that is applied on the sub-frames appears to be more cosmetic than protective. I don't think that they care that it rusts and quickly looks ugly. (Same thing with differential housings, axles, driveshafts and steel suspension parts.
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One of my X-type Jaguars is an east coast car, and had similar signs of rust. Even though it has been a reliable car, It has been a PITA getting bolts out of the suspension to do service and part replacement. I wont purchase another one that looks similar to yours. I suppose everyone needs to experience a corroded suspension and bolts at least once.