Satellite Radio
#21
06-25-2010, 11:44 AM
being that i sold and installed these from the inception of satellite radio, unless it is a direct plug in unit (aftermarket unit) you will experience dull sound( im not trying to turn you away from it at all) i have found that unless you use the antenna adapter scenario (basically a t-harness in between the factory radio and the antenna) you will be very displeased with it. If you do the antenna adaptor route, you will not have many issues with hissing and static, however it will just sound like a somewhat strong radio station. Please dont go expecting cd quality like sound from it. If you need a shop local to you, let me know.
On a personal note, i stream Pandora from my phone into the Alpine EX-10 piece....couldnt be happier, and i dont have to worry about paying for sat radio when i have unlimited data on the cell. It doesnt sound any better than sat radio though. Just an extra expense i dont have to pay for. Same deal though, antenna adaptor system in-line.
In addition, many installers around the country in our industry, have stopped supporting the sat company ( both xm and sirius) . I think most of it is because of their tactic's to the specialist retailers that made them the money in the beginning of it all. If it wasnt for us, they wouldnt have taken off like they did. Then all they do is slap our industry in the face.
On a personal note, i stream Pandora from my phone into the Alpine EX-10 piece....couldnt be happier, and i dont have to worry about paying for sat radio when i have unlimited data on the cell. It doesnt sound any better than sat radio though. Just an extra expense i dont have to pay for. Same deal though, antenna adaptor system in-line.
In addition, many installers around the country in our industry, have stopped supporting the sat company ( both xm and sirius) . I think most of it is because of their tactic's to the specialist retailers that made them the money in the beginning of it all. If it wasnt for us, they wouldnt have taken off like they did. Then all they do is slap our industry in the face.
Last edited by phd12volt; 06-25-2010 at 11:47 AM.
#22
06-25-2010, 11:47 AM
Can I fly you from the UK to Boston for a proper install??? Sounds like you really know yourstuff, unfortunately I lack in that catagory so most of the post I cant understand. Can i request a synopsis in laymen's terms??? Do you think I will have problems with that Sirius Sportster 5 model.......Hissing, and static are unacceptable and I will throw the unit directly out the window if it is severe.
Jeff, I'll admit it, Coffee Shop is an outstanding, chill station. From the description of the unit and reviews I believe it has "inline FM modulator or aux input" capabilities. However for the aux input, i need to buy that Jag part and have it installed correct? The inline FM modulator, is that what you were talking about with tapping into the vehicles existing antenna, or am I off on that one?
Jeff, I'll admit it, Coffee Shop is an outstanding, chill station. From the description of the unit and reviews I believe it has "inline FM modulator or aux input" capabilities. However for the aux input, i need to buy that Jag part and have it installed correct? The inline FM modulator, is that what you were talking about with tapping into the vehicles existing antenna, or am I off on that one?
Yes, the FM modulator plugs into the antenna input on your existing radio and then the existing FM antenna plugs into it. When your Sat Radio sends a signal the Modulator automatically blocks the FM antenna so all you hear is what is feeding the modulator. The stereo shop you are going to talk to may have an aux input option that is cheaper than the Jaguar unit (known as the ACM). When I did the aux input adapter on the Honda the part alone was $90. For me it wasn't any better than the FM Modulators I had used in the past. I'm sure it provided cleaner audio but it wasn't enough to notice. One other thing I forgot. By nature the Sat Radio will be a lower volume than other modes on your stereo. That is normal and I'm very used to it. That too didn't change from tuner to tuner and it was the same no matter what I used to feed the signal. It also is the same from XM or Sirius. Oh, I'm curious, did you notice a difference when you had the Commander with the integrated Sirius radio? I know it does drop in volume on GM cars with the integrated XM.
#23
06-25-2010, 11:52 AM
#24
06-25-2010, 11:55 AM
Don't let anyone put switches in your doors.....LOL....
Yes, the FM modulator plugs into the antenna input on your existing radio and then the existing FM antenna plugs into it. When your Sat Radio sends a signal the Modulator automatically blocks the FM antenna so all you hear is what is feeding the modulator. The stereo shop you are going to talk to may have an aux input option that is cheaper than the Jaguar unit (known as the ACM). When I did the aux input adapter on the Honda the part alone was $90. For me it wasn't any better than the FM Modulators I had used in the past. I'm sure it provided cleaner audio but it wasn't enough to notice. One other thing I forgot. By nature the Sat Radio will be a lower volume than other modes on your stereo. That is normal and I'm very used to it. That too didn't change from tuner to tuner and it was the same no matter what I used to feed the signal. It also is the same from XM or Sirius. Oh, I'm curious, did you notice a difference when you had the Commander with the integrated Sirius radio? I know it does drop in volume on GM cars with the integrated XM.
Yes, the FM modulator plugs into the antenna input on your existing radio and then the existing FM antenna plugs into it. When your Sat Radio sends a signal the Modulator automatically blocks the FM antenna so all you hear is what is feeding the modulator. The stereo shop you are going to talk to may have an aux input option that is cheaper than the Jaguar unit (known as the ACM). When I did the aux input adapter on the Honda the part alone was $90. For me it wasn't any better than the FM Modulators I had used in the past. I'm sure it provided cleaner audio but it wasn't enough to notice. One other thing I forgot. By nature the Sat Radio will be a lower volume than other modes on your stereo. That is normal and I'm very used to it. That too didn't change from tuner to tuner and it was the same no matter what I used to feed the signal. It also is the same from XM or Sirius. Oh, I'm curious, did you notice a difference when you had the Commander with the integrated Sirius radio? I know it does drop in volume on GM cars with the integrated XM.
Only used the Sat radio, so i dont know if there was a difference between that and FM. Here is the convo with Crutchfiled I just had, off to the audio shop, will report back. Hopefully I dont make an impulse buy and end up sitting there for an hour getting one installed. HATE buying retail.
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Jodi.
Hi, my name is Jodi. How may I help you today?
Joe
Hi am looking into Sat radio options for my Jaguar S Type R '05, and was wondering if you could help me?
Joe
it has the Navigation on the head unit
Jodi.
Sure, do you have the navigation system in that car?
Joe
yes factory navigation
Jodi.
And how about the stock Alpine unit?
Jodi.
Do you have that too?
Joe
I have alpine or kenwood speakers with a subwoofer/stock......however Im not sure who manufaturs the head unit, doesnt have any branding on it
Jodi.
I'm sorry, it looks like we don't have any satellite tuners that directly connect to the stock radio. You would need to use one that is a plug and play style that mounts to the dash or console.
Joe
something like the Sirius Sportster 5?
Jodi.
Right. That is the only style I have that will work.
Joe
how exactly does that work and install. Also can it get staticky?
Jodi.
You can get better reception with this FM direct adapter.
Jodi.
Jodi. pushes page, http://www.crutchfield.com/p_607FMDA....html?tp=30403
Jodi.
It lets you tie to the FM antenna and it will give you a static free reception.
Joe
what station would I have to tune to? Does it havea dedicated FM saton i would use?
Jodi.
You set the station in the menu of the sat radio.
Joe
and there typically is no interference from that station at all?
Jodi.
Not usually. The direct connect unit helps to lock in the station.
Joe
ok thanks, one more thing, how to I "tie in' to my vehicles antenna?
Joe
using that direct adapter
Jodi.
You will plug into the stock antenna, but you will need to check with your dealership to see if you need an antenna adapter.
Joe
ok great, thanks for your help
Jodi.
You’re welcome. Have a great day.
#25
06-26-2010, 09:51 AM
Just to make a few audio points clear...
Whatever means you transmit your signal, be it AM, FM(VHF), DAB, satellite, you must produce an audio baseband signal(s) to drive an old-fashioned amplifier and speakers. This signal has traditionally been called "0db". This means .775volt across 600ohm. To save your calculator, =1mW. Your sound system at home uses this 0db system, invented I would guess by RCA many years ago when they invented the phono plug.
In the early 1950s everything domestic was in glorious mono. The high-quality multichannel sound available on the then Cinemascope films tickled everyone's fancy to have stereo sound at home. LP records were the first, using the 45/45 grove deviation system where a rightangle V-grove on the disc had one wall modulated by the left audio sig., the other by the right. This maintained MONO compatibility, essential if you wanted to sell your records to a largely mono public! It also had TWO proper channels even if separation was only at 35db.
FM radio was harder to maintain mono compatibility. Zenith-G.E. did it this way, and it was adopted by the BBC.
Left and right audio signals were added together and FM modulated the VHF carrier in the usual way for mono -- mono compatible. A new signal was invented for the stereo; the R audio was subtracted from the L audio (L-R) forming the STEREO DIFFERENCE SIGNAL. This was AM modulated onto a 38KHz supressed-carrier subcarrier (i.e.only sidebands, no centre-carrier). So that the receiver could demodulate this subcarrier, a PILOT-TONE at 19KHz was sent all the time at a low level. By doubling this frequency to 38KHz, the centre carrier could be popped back in to the stereo subcarrier so the receiver could recover the (L-R) signal. Then it was a simple matter of addition for one audio, subtraction for the other in a MATRIX. So you got back the two audio channels.
This system became world-wide and is still in use universally today. I think it was in the 1980s that all FM broadcasts in UK went to circular polarization from vertical to help with car reception -- this really worked!
But it has inherent problems (doesn't everything?) The most obvious was a noticeable worsening of the signal to noise ratio. This was obvious to anyone in an "iffy" reception area with a continual background 'hiss'. The hiss disappeared if you killed the stereo with the tuner's mono button. Ghosts (reflected signals) sometimes made the audio distorted. So audiophiles sold their homes and moved nearer to the transmitter to get a good signal... The audio had to be PRE-EMPHASIZED in the transmitter, and DE-EMPHASIZED in the receiver in order to reduce this hiss. It was similar to the pre-emphasis used in LP records. US had 75microsecond pre-emphasis, UK 50. This was the time-constant of the simple resistor/capacitor combination for de-emphasis.
Now the idea of taking the baseband audio signal from a satellite or DAB radio receiver and modulating it onto a standard analog stereo FM carrier, only to DEMODULATE it a few inches away -- is extraordinarily clumsy, speaking from an electronic point of view.
All sorts of signal purities are lost, there is bound to be some analog compression due to modulation non-linearity and the S/N ratio is bound to be worse.
This is why the analog audio from the D to A converters plus reconstructors (if any) should be fed DIRECTLY to your audio amps. plus speakers. This way you will get the wide-band, uncompressed wide dynamic range in the analog audio you SHOULD be getting. It's not rocket science!
So if you are going to use ANY digital audio receiving device in your car or home, this is the way to do it. This doesn't mean I endorse digital audio transmissions. All too often the bit-rate will be too low because of bandwidth limitations giving that irritating "swizzly" upper treble that flits from left to right. The absolute MINIMUM bit-rate is nowadays held to be 190Kb/sec. for reasonable audio.
Satellite radio is economically viable is large countries like the US because of its wide coverage. In UK there are so many VHF/FM transmitters around it wouldn't make too much sense, although technically it would. There is a problem in big cities with tall buildings blocking the satellite signal. So you have to have repeaters. The sound quality is said to be very variable, depending on the station. If I were paying for it, I'd want BBC quality all the time. But in the UK, the good old BBC is free at the point of use. No radio licence fee.
Leedsman.
Whatever means you transmit your signal, be it AM, FM(VHF), DAB, satellite, you must produce an audio baseband signal(s) to drive an old-fashioned amplifier and speakers. This signal has traditionally been called "0db". This means .775volt across 600ohm. To save your calculator, =1mW. Your sound system at home uses this 0db system, invented I would guess by RCA many years ago when they invented the phono plug.
In the early 1950s everything domestic was in glorious mono. The high-quality multichannel sound available on the then Cinemascope films tickled everyone's fancy to have stereo sound at home. LP records were the first, using the 45/45 grove deviation system where a rightangle V-grove on the disc had one wall modulated by the left audio sig., the other by the right. This maintained MONO compatibility, essential if you wanted to sell your records to a largely mono public! It also had TWO proper channels even if separation was only at 35db.
FM radio was harder to maintain mono compatibility. Zenith-G.E. did it this way, and it was adopted by the BBC.
Left and right audio signals were added together and FM modulated the VHF carrier in the usual way for mono -- mono compatible. A new signal was invented for the stereo; the R audio was subtracted from the L audio (L-R) forming the STEREO DIFFERENCE SIGNAL. This was AM modulated onto a 38KHz supressed-carrier subcarrier (i.e.only sidebands, no centre-carrier). So that the receiver could demodulate this subcarrier, a PILOT-TONE at 19KHz was sent all the time at a low level. By doubling this frequency to 38KHz, the centre carrier could be popped back in to the stereo subcarrier so the receiver could recover the (L-R) signal. Then it was a simple matter of addition for one audio, subtraction for the other in a MATRIX. So you got back the two audio channels.
This system became world-wide and is still in use universally today. I think it was in the 1980s that all FM broadcasts in UK went to circular polarization from vertical to help with car reception -- this really worked!
But it has inherent problems (doesn't everything?) The most obvious was a noticeable worsening of the signal to noise ratio. This was obvious to anyone in an "iffy" reception area with a continual background 'hiss'. The hiss disappeared if you killed the stereo with the tuner's mono button. Ghosts (reflected signals) sometimes made the audio distorted. So audiophiles sold their homes and moved nearer to the transmitter to get a good signal... The audio had to be PRE-EMPHASIZED in the transmitter, and DE-EMPHASIZED in the receiver in order to reduce this hiss. It was similar to the pre-emphasis used in LP records. US had 75microsecond pre-emphasis, UK 50. This was the time-constant of the simple resistor/capacitor combination for de-emphasis.
Now the idea of taking the baseband audio signal from a satellite or DAB radio receiver and modulating it onto a standard analog stereo FM carrier, only to DEMODULATE it a few inches away -- is extraordinarily clumsy, speaking from an electronic point of view.
All sorts of signal purities are lost, there is bound to be some analog compression due to modulation non-linearity and the S/N ratio is bound to be worse.
This is why the analog audio from the D to A converters plus reconstructors (if any) should be fed DIRECTLY to your audio amps. plus speakers. This way you will get the wide-band, uncompressed wide dynamic range in the analog audio you SHOULD be getting. It's not rocket science!
So if you are going to use ANY digital audio receiving device in your car or home, this is the way to do it. This doesn't mean I endorse digital audio transmissions. All too often the bit-rate will be too low because of bandwidth limitations giving that irritating "swizzly" upper treble that flits from left to right. The absolute MINIMUM bit-rate is nowadays held to be 190Kb/sec. for reasonable audio.
Satellite radio is economically viable is large countries like the US because of its wide coverage. In UK there are so many VHF/FM transmitters around it wouldn't make too much sense, although technically it would. There is a problem in big cities with tall buildings blocking the satellite signal. So you have to have repeaters. The sound quality is said to be very variable, depending on the station. If I were paying for it, I'd want BBC quality all the time. But in the UK, the good old BBC is free at the point of use. No radio licence fee.
Leedsman.
#26
06-26-2010, 10:50 PM
Ok so here's the update, after visiting multiple stores, talking to people and websites, decided to go with XM XpressRCi:
http://shop.xmradio.com/xm/ctl10600/...P_PRODUCT_TILE
Its $169 pretty much everywhere I have looked, full color display, but i got it for $119 through XM's website because I subscribed. This comes with the car kit. I have to order a "2nd car kit" for the wife's Saab, and 2 FM modulators, or whatever they are called.
Spoke with the guy at a respected install place, Boomer Mcloud's, and the guy was extremely helpful. He showed me a mount made specifically for the S type, attaches to the right side of the head unit using an existing bolt (the diagraham showed the bolt to be under the vinyl/leather/stiched surround we have around our head units.
So basically he is going to hardwire the docks, and use the modulator to plug into the antenna input on the back of the unit. I guess these things actually disconnect the FM/AM transmission when the XM unit is ON. Therefore, there shouldnt be ANY interference. He is charging me 2 hrs labor for both cars, so probably a little over a hundred PLUS all the hardware I am purchasing and bringing to him.
Off to search for the rest of the hardware, will keep you updated, and will post pics when it is finally done.
http://shop.xmradio.com/xm/ctl10600/...P_PRODUCT_TILE
Its $169 pretty much everywhere I have looked, full color display, but i got it for $119 through XM's website because I subscribed. This comes with the car kit. I have to order a "2nd car kit" for the wife's Saab, and 2 FM modulators, or whatever they are called.
Spoke with the guy at a respected install place, Boomer Mcloud's, and the guy was extremely helpful. He showed me a mount made specifically for the S type, attaches to the right side of the head unit using an existing bolt (the diagraham showed the bolt to be under the vinyl/leather/stiched surround we have around our head units.
So basically he is going to hardwire the docks, and use the modulator to plug into the antenna input on the back of the unit. I guess these things actually disconnect the FM/AM transmission when the XM unit is ON. Therefore, there shouldnt be ANY interference. He is charging me 2 hrs labor for both cars, so probably a little over a hundred PLUS all the hardware I am purchasing and bringing to him.
Off to search for the rest of the hardware, will keep you updated, and will post pics when it is finally done.
#27
06-27-2010, 12:45 AM
FYI this is what I had to order from Crutchfield for installation on both the Saab and Jag:
220XADV2 XM XADV2 Vehicle Kit XM Dock & Play PowerConnect vehicle kit $49.99 1 $49.99 607FMDA25 FM Direct Adapter Provides a direct connection for a Dock & Play satellite radio to your FM radio $19.99 1 $19.99 607FMDA25 FM Direct Adapter Provides a direct connection for a Dock & Play satellite radio to your FM radio $19.99 1 $19.99 12040VW21 Antenna Adapter Connect an aftermarket antenna cable to the factory radio
Works with a variety of 1986-up European and American vehicles $9.99 1 $9.99 120865618 Universal DIN Tool (Pair) For Factory Radio Removal $4.99 1 $4.99 12040VW12 Antenna Adapter Connect your factory antenna cable to any aftermarket stereo
Works with a variety of 1986-up European and American vehicles $4.99 1 $4.99 000RECVRIG FREE Crutchfield Guide: In-Dash Receiver Installation FREE 1 FREE 000PERIG FREE Crutchfield Guide: Peripherals Installation FREE 1 FREE 000SRADIG Crutchfield Guide: Satellite Radio Car Installation FREE 1 FREE Merchandise SubTotal: $109.94 Standard Shipping $10.99 Order Total: $120.93
220XADV2 XM XADV2 Vehicle Kit XM Dock & Play PowerConnect vehicle kit $49.99 1 $49.99 607FMDA25 FM Direct Adapter Provides a direct connection for a Dock & Play satellite radio to your FM radio $19.99 1 $19.99 607FMDA25 FM Direct Adapter Provides a direct connection for a Dock & Play satellite radio to your FM radio $19.99 1 $19.99 12040VW21 Antenna Adapter Connect an aftermarket antenna cable to the factory radio
Works with a variety of 1986-up European and American vehicles $9.99 1 $9.99 120865618 Universal DIN Tool (Pair) For Factory Radio Removal $4.99 1 $4.99 12040VW12 Antenna Adapter Connect your factory antenna cable to any aftermarket stereo
Works with a variety of 1986-up European and American vehicles $4.99 1 $4.99 000RECVRIG FREE Crutchfield Guide: In-Dash Receiver Installation FREE 1 FREE 000PERIG FREE Crutchfield Guide: Peripherals Installation FREE 1 FREE 000SRADIG Crutchfield Guide: Satellite Radio Car Installation FREE 1 FREE Merchandise SubTotal: $109.94 Standard Shipping $10.99 Order Total: $120.93
#28
06-27-2010, 05:47 PM
so if I wanted to run an ipod in my car, could I just get that part for $20 from crutchfiield, and and antennae adapter and call it a day? Would that work or would I have to do something different? I don't care about charging the ipod, I just want to listen to pandora in my car.
Thanks for all the info about adding sirrius and the methodology of adding it into our stock system.
Thanks for all the info about adding sirrius and the methodology of adding it into our stock system.
#29
06-27-2010, 09:59 PM
Not too sure on that, I would assume you would first need a dock for the Ipod, one that can be connected to that FM Direct adapter. Crutchfield has a live chat, which is ok, but I think a phone call would answer your question very easily. Basically these FM adapters are connected to your device, they plug into the "antenna in" spot on the back of your radio, then your actual FM/AM antenna plugs into this adapter, kinda like a splitter. However, when your device (XM/Sirius) is turned on, it cuts the signal from the existing FM/AM antenna, causing no interference. Im sure there is some kind of similar solution using the Ipod.
A big thanks to Jeff, Leeds and Jason. At first all of this was foreign, and confusing to me, but now I am getting the concept of how these things work and should be installed. I may even just say the heck with it and do the Saab install myself and let them just take car of the Jag. With the reciever, adaptors, mounts etc., its ending up costing a small fortune! However, it will be NICE having a hard wired, Sat radio system with little or no static and not having to deal with those useless FM transmitters.
PS this is the mount made for the SType:
http://a248.e.akamai.net/pix.crutchfield.com/Manuals/042/042JG5203L.PDF
A big thanks to Jeff, Leeds and Jason. At first all of this was foreign, and confusing to me, but now I am getting the concept of how these things work and should be installed. I may even just say the heck with it and do the Saab install myself and let them just take car of the Jag. With the reciever, adaptors, mounts etc., its ending up costing a small fortune! However, it will be NICE having a hard wired, Sat radio system with little or no static and not having to deal with those useless FM transmitters.
PS this is the mount made for the SType:
http://a248.e.akamai.net/pix.crutchfield.com/Manuals/042/042JG5203L.PDF
Last edited by Bull27; 06-27-2010 at 10:08 PM.
#32
06-29-2010, 06:03 AM
so if I wanted to run an ipod in my car, could I just get that part for $20 from crutchfiield, and and antennae adapter and call it a day? Would that work or would I have to do something different? I don't care about charging the ipod, I just want to listen to pandora in my car.
Thanks for all the info about adding sirrius and the methodology of adding it into our stock system.
Thanks for all the info about adding sirrius and the methodology of adding it into our stock system.
#33
06-29-2010, 06:27 AM
A big thanks to Jeff, Leeds and Jason. At first all of this was foreign, and confusing to me, but now I am getting the concept of how these things work and should be installed. I may even just say the heck with it and do the Saab install myself and let them just take car of the Jag. With the reciever, adaptors, mounts etc., its ending up costing a small fortune! However, it will be NICE having a hard wired, Sat radio system with little or no static and not having to deal with those useless FM transmitters.
PS this is the mount made for the SType:
http://a248.e.akamai.net/pix.crutchf...042JG5203L.PDF
PS this is the mount made for the SType:
http://a248.e.akamai.net/pix.crutchf...042JG5203L.PDF
I would do the Saab myself as well. But then again I actually enjoy doing stuff like that... I'm glad you found a good shop to work with you. I'm sure you'll like the set-up.
#34
06-29-2010, 12:07 PM
so if I wanted to run an ipod in my car, could I just get that part for $20 from crutchfiield, and and antennae adapter and call it a day? Would that work or would I have to do something different? I don't care about charging the ipod, I just want to listen to pandora in my car.
Thanks for all the info about adding sirrius and the methodology of adding it into our stock system.
Thanks for all the info about adding sirrius and the methodology of adding it into our stock system.
#35
06-29-2010, 05:35 PM
I think I have decided to let them just do the Saab as well. They will charge me around $95, fabricate their own mount and make it hardwired (which i do not know how to do).
I mean, the only permenant mount I could find for that vehicle costs in the $40's anyways so I might as well have them do it right, nice n clean for an extra $50 more than I would be paying just for the mount. I refuse to use the included windshield mount, and the included vent mount wont work because of how the stupid vents are on the Saab. I definately need it hardwired as well, it only has one cig lighter power source and need that for Tom Tom.
#37
07-04-2010, 07:16 AM
#38
07-04-2010, 08:33 AM
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#40
07-06-2010, 11:00 AM
Do not put in satelitte UNLESS you get the FM Direct Adapter AND hardwire it. I have done several road trips this weekend and there is no static whatsoever. When the unit is on, the adapter literally shuts down the existing FM antenna so no stations will come in potentially causing interference. Shut the unit off, and the regualr FM antenna is activated again. I am impressed with how good it works.
Jeff, the tuner is real sharp, I just wish I had some time to go through the manual and figure out all the options. It records up to 90 minutes and if you like a particular artist or song you can "bookmark it" and when it is playing on another station it comes up on the screen allowing you to go right to that station if you want. The remote comes in handy as well. No signal drops yet (oh except when we were in a 2-3 mile long tunnel), and like I said not even a HINT of interference or static. The tuner is an XM (Delphi) Xpress RCi, so I have XM stations and will be getting the "best of Sirius" packahe for like $3 more month when football season comes around. The mount from Pantovise (I think its called) is cheaper so i would prob order from them, and the installer said that the arm piece that squeezes in between the dash is a little bit skinnier for an easier install.
Panthro - I just realized that, looks like she will either be removed completely or relocated. Good looking badge, so I should be able to find a home for her.
Jeff, the tuner is real sharp, I just wish I had some time to go through the manual and figure out all the options. It records up to 90 minutes and if you like a particular artist or song you can "bookmark it" and when it is playing on another station it comes up on the screen allowing you to go right to that station if you want. The remote comes in handy as well. No signal drops yet (oh except when we were in a 2-3 mile long tunnel), and like I said not even a HINT of interference or static. The tuner is an XM (Delphi) Xpress RCi, so I have XM stations and will be getting the "best of Sirius" packahe for like $3 more month when football season comes around. The mount from Pantovise (I think its called) is cheaper so i would prob order from them, and the installer said that the arm piece that squeezes in between the dash is a little bit skinnier for an easier install.
Panthro - I just realized that, looks like she will either be removed completely or relocated. Good looking badge, so I should be able to find a home for her.
Last edited by Bull27; 07-06-2010 at 11:03 AM.