So my motor sized up / blew ~ now what?
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Hey team..
Well to make a long story short I was racing this guy in a vet between Northern and southern California on hwy 5 yesterday and things were going GREAT (most of you would have been proud!), we had the road open to ourselves and we let then goooooo..
Unfortunately my car didn’t make it to back LA.. I ended up with what I thought was electrical issues shutting my car down after a pre-determined speed, IDK?? Well….. when I had the opportunity to review things this morning my worst fear came true, CRAP! I seized / blew my motor.. (For what its worth).. there were no warning sings, no lights going off on the dash, no codes popping up.. nothing. It just coasted to stop and died on the side of the road in the middle of nowhere!.
So what should I do team? I already went out today a bought a jeep to get by / until I figure out what I’m going to do..
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Hey, I’m sorry.. I had to get back to so-Cal to the family, so I left my car / jag at my parents house in Sonoma.
I’m really thinking I only have two options.
Thanks for your time team..
Tdc..
Well to make a long story short I was racing this guy in a vet between Northern and southern California on hwy 5 yesterday and things were going GREAT (most of you would have been proud!), we had the road open to ourselves and we let then goooooo..
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Unfortunately my car didn’t make it to back LA.. I ended up with what I thought was electrical issues shutting my car down after a pre-determined speed, IDK?? Well….. when I had the opportunity to review things this morning my worst fear came true, CRAP! I seized / blew my motor.. (For what its worth).. there were no warning sings, no lights going off on the dash, no codes popping up.. nothing. It just coasted to stop and died on the side of the road in the middle of nowhere!.
So what should I do team? I already went out today a bought a jeep to get by / until I figure out what I’m going to do..
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Hey, I’m sorry.. I had to get back to so-Cal to the family, so I left my car / jag at my parents house in Sonoma.
I’m really thinking I only have two options.
- Research for a new motor? Just off the cuff, I’m thinking $3500-4k (??)
- Just cut my losses and get what I can for it? I’m thinking if I put it on craigs list someone will want it..
Thanks for your time team..
Tdc..
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May only be a minor issue....but may not....
Normally catastrophic engine failure is accompanied by noise, smoke, then death...Doesn't just shut off....
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I think Noodlearm knows a dealership in MI that can fix you up!![Icon Couchhide](https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_couchhide.gif)
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Only engines I'm aware of that have ever siezed/locked up without a great cacaphony and a plume of steam and smoke are the ones that sit dormant for a number of years. Even then, a dose of rifle bore cleaner in each cylinder, a week's wait, and decent sized hammer might get you going again....you didn't let it sit at your parents' 5 years or so, eh?
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Only engines I'm aware of that have ever siezed/locked up without a great cacaphony and a plume of steam and smoke are the ones that sit dormant for a number of years. Even then, a dose of rifle bore cleaner in each cylinder, a week's wait, and decent sized hammer might get you going again....you didn't let it sit at your parents' 5 years or so, eh?
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hey guys.. I'm sorry it was late when I posted this up.. my apologizes..
The motor will not turn over. I removed all of the plugs and put a socket on the crank and it would not budge. I removed the valve covers to look at the belts, and everything looked solid, but would not budge, no hoses broken, or loss of fluid.
I'm thinking it had to be oil related.. again no warning signs at all.. I was shocked.. This car tells me when anything is wrong, so it came totally out of the blue..
I plugged in the computer to check / look for codes?? nothing??
I (really) wanted to remove the oil pan to take a look at things but I need to buy another car and drive 7hrs back home..
It was really weird… from the driver seat it appeared simply that all of my electrical just shut down, I thought I just blew a main fuse or something?
Am I missing something here team??
As for the LS motor, IDK, the whole smog thing concerns me.. I would love to find a motor for under 2k, I just don't think they exist?.
But today is a new day and I was going to go out and wash / wax the jeep.. hahaha
The motor will not turn over. I removed all of the plugs and put a socket on the crank and it would not budge. I removed the valve covers to look at the belts, and everything looked solid, but would not budge, no hoses broken, or loss of fluid.
I'm thinking it had to be oil related.. again no warning signs at all.. I was shocked.. This car tells me when anything is wrong, so it came totally out of the blue..
I plugged in the computer to check / look for codes?? nothing??
I (really) wanted to remove the oil pan to take a look at things but I need to buy another car and drive 7hrs back home..
It was really weird… from the driver seat it appeared simply that all of my electrical just shut down, I thought I just blew a main fuse or something?
Am I missing something here team??
As for the LS motor, IDK, the whole smog thing concerns me.. I would love to find a motor for under 2k, I just don't think they exist?.
But today is a new day and I was going to go out and wash / wax the jeep.. hahaha
Last edited by tdc; 02-21-2011 at 11:37 AM.
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ooh....sucks that you are 7 hrs' drive away from it. What rpm were you at when it shutdown? By your description, sounds like you lost lights and all elec. devices? Hot/dark/silent as we used to say of the ships...drawing a total blank on what kind of lock-up would take out battery power, too.
I would guess a Lincoln V8 would pass your smog tests since you already have the CA goods on the Jag and they should interface....but wow! do y'all ever have some screwy rules & regs out there! Good luck sorting it.
Keep us posted, this one even more interesting than Noodlearm's....Lots of new stuff to learn, unfortunately at your expense.....
I would guess a Lincoln V8 would pass your smog tests since you already have the CA goods on the Jag and they should interface....but wow! do y'all ever have some screwy rules & regs out there! Good luck sorting it.
Keep us posted, this one even more interesting than Noodlearm's....Lots of new stuff to learn, unfortunately at your expense.....
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ooh....sucks that you are 7 hrs' drive away from it. What rpm were you at when it shutdown? By your description, sounds like you lost lights and all elec. devices? Hot/dark/silent as we used to say of the ships...drawing a total blank on what kind of lock-up would take out battery power, too.
I would guess a Lincoln V8 would pass your smog tests since you already have the CA goods on the Jag and they should interface....but wow! do y'all ever have some screwy rules & regs out there! Good luck sorting it.
Keep us posted, this one even more interesting than Noodlearm's....Lots of new stuff to learn, unfortunately at your expense.....
I would guess a Lincoln V8 would pass your smog tests since you already have the CA goods on the Jag and they should interface....but wow! do y'all ever have some screwy rules & regs out there! Good luck sorting it.
Keep us posted, this one even more interesting than Noodlearm's....Lots of new stuff to learn, unfortunately at your expense.....
Now I don't know about Kalifornia and it's retarded smog laws in terms of motor swaps, BUT as long as your Jag PCM is ok, run that one. No vin swap or anything. It's the same car, same motor, same pcm. I would just pull up to the smog station and act as if the motor was never swapped, after all you swapped like for like.
Do they check engine blocks for vin castings? That's the only way anyone would be able to tell.
And Ahol - I have a feeling this is going to be another saga once this motor comes apart.
Take care,
George
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tdc, I just looked up www.car-parts.com there are a few motors available in CA., I am just not sure where they are at exactly, right around the $2500.00 mark!
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I'm must be missing something here guys, I'm sorry.. are you telling me that the LS 3.9 is the same as the 4.0, for a (2000)? I can just replace the tins and move on with life??
If so (COOL) I’ll look into getting an LS motor. As funky as California is they don't care what motor is in the car as long as it passes smog requirements for that year of car.. so if the smog stuff is all interchangeable.. it’s almost to good to be true..
If so (COOL) I’ll look into getting an LS motor. As funky as California is they don't care what motor is in the car as long as it passes smog requirements for that year of car.. so if the smog stuff is all interchangeable.. it’s almost to good to be true..
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tdc, I just looked up www.car-parts.com there are a few motors available in CA., I am just not sure where they are at exactly, right around the $2500.00 mark!
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I'm must be missing something here guys, I'm sorry.. are you telling me that the LS 3.9 is the same as the 4.0, for a (2000)? I can just replace the tins and move on with life??
If so (COOL) I’ll look into getting an LS motor. As funky as California is they don't care what motor is in the car as long as it passes smog requirements for that year of car.. so if the smog stuff is all interchangeable.. it’s almost to good to be true..
If so (COOL) I’ll look into getting an LS motor. As funky as California is they don't care what motor is in the car as long as it passes smog requirements for that year of car.. so if the smog stuff is all interchangeable.. it’s almost to good to be true..
In 2003, Lincoln added VVT to the AJv8, and Jaguar bumped displacement to 4.2 as well as adding vvt. That's when they started to differentiate.
Lincoln rounded down, Jaguar rounded up.
In reality it was so the public wouldn't make the connection
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Take care,
George
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Take care,
George
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WOW thanks team... I do really appreciate the advise.. Thank you all so much..
I was actually just looking a new / recondiontioned jag motor on ebay for $2200..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...7347+&viewitem
IDK..2200 for a long block sounds like a deal.. I just would need to see / make sure all of my existing components still work… So basically yeah it’s research day for me..
Thanks again team..
I was actually just looking a new / recondiontioned jag motor on ebay for $2200..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...7347+&viewitem
List of Vehicles & Years applicable:
*1999-2001 Jaguar S Type 4.0L
List of machining processes performed:
*Engine and heads cleaned
*Engine and heads cleaned
*Surfaces renewed by milling
*Blocks bored and honed
*Blocks Resurfaced/decked
*Connecting Rods reconditioned
*New pin bushings installed
*Crank shaft ground and polished
*Cylinder heads pressure tested
*Heads checked for thickness
*Heads rebuilt with three angle valve grind
List of new master rebuild kit parts installed:
*New pistons
List of new master rebuild kit parts installed:
*New pistons
*New piston rings
*New rod bearings
*New main bearings
*New wrist pin bushings
*New thrust bearings
*New rear main seal
*New frost plugs
*New Oil pump
Thanks again team..