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Old 07-29-2010, 06:45 PM
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When I called in, the port and regear was discussed. There was no talk about even trying to port the throttle body and other parts. I didn't bother asking because it seemed to be more of an issue with the cobra's inlets. Has anyone ever gotten the throttle body and other work done on a jag application?

It sounds like a mistake was made, but does anyone even know if porting the other parts will even result in any additional power being made?
 
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Old 07-29-2010, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Enthusiast
Is it necessary for him to do the extra work that he mistakenly added into the email? Their website seems to state that this is an extra cost option so I think that perhaps a simple apology and return to sanity might be the best way to go? I am not a big fan of doing work for free and I don't think that it would be fair for them to do the extra without compensation, non? Mistakes are made all the time and while their handling of it may not be acceptable, I believe that the aforementioned action may be adequate, non?
Enthusiast; I was willing to do that, but I mainly wanted to know why he polished the
small outlets at the charge air cooler connections, but not where the high pressure
air is split in the discharge plenum at the blower outlet. When I started asking about
that he went into overdrive with the diatribe about me not knowing anything. He
even told me that he wanted me to ship the parts back because he didn't want me
to have his work since I didn't know anything. Now he thinks I'm going to go through
taking that beast off and ship back to him for a refund and he'll ship me trade in parts
so I can spend the time to install it again, all for nothing. Gee, I guess I must be a
lunatic ??

I'm not about to send them back or take them off again (at least anytime soon) but
I AM willing to let bygones be bygones, but I think I can tell you Bob's ego will never
let him do that. Eh Bob ? I'm willing if you are.
 
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Old 07-29-2010, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by jagv8
Hopefully they'll make sure future emails are consistent and clear.

Maybe they'd offer a reduction in the extra they would otherwise charge? Er, how much would the extra be anyway?

If they get this right, albeit with a shaky start, there are other forum members who are likely customers.
JagV8; Heh Heh, Acronyms huh ? Very funny. Sorry you spent all that time just to try to prove a point.
 
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Old 07-29-2010, 09:23 PM
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I am a commercial air-conditioning senior designer and what I know about air flow is
that the smoother and least amount of friction will produce a greater volume of
airflow, especially at points of higher pressure. It is less effective at low pressures,
therefore why I wanted to ask Stiegemeier why he polished the discharge plenum
outlets but not the inlet splitter. We would never work the outlet only, but the
entire passageway. Once in the charge air cooler, the velocity drops substantially
from that in the entry so polishing would not be as effective - but I was only asking
why it was done this way. I did not make any accusation, but he apparently
anticipated an accusation coming. I don't know why he ever quoted it that way, so
I must come to the same conclusion as you. It must've been a mistake.
 
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Old 07-29-2010, 09:45 PM
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In my office, I'm the doctor, the focused listener, and technichally an "employee" of the patient seeking my expertice and guidance. In the same vien; regardless of wether Bob was irritated, ttwotees was the "Pre Paying Employer" with his property in Bobs trust. In other words: Regardless if I feel a patient pisses me off, I remain respectful and continue to offer guidance in a respectful manner.
ttwotees, I'm acheing to find out how the "Snake Bite" kit performs for your STR.
 
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This has gone on far enough
This forum is NOT to be used as a means to contact outside sources or try to bring them to task over any dealings outside of this site.
I'm not getting into who may be right or wrong, but certainly when I see a thread going this way with 2 or 3 posts insuccession from the same member I know from past history where its going.
This thread is now closed

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Thread re opened - Please post on this topic but make sure what is posted is absolute truth with no aspersions of any type and no name calling. This is not about talking anyone down but simply one customers experience to date. Please think very carefully before posting and it does help to re read your post BEFORE submitting. If you have any doubt about the content please re think before clicking to submit
 
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Old 07-30-2010, 11:04 PM
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Thumbs up Thread re-opened graciously by Jim

I've been in touch with Jim today and he graciously agreed to re-open
our thread. I sent him the links which I am about to post here:

My son-in-law is a moderator for the Modular Fords Forum and he saw
the work done on my blower plenums and the throttle body and he was
distressed to say the least. He went back home and reviewed his forum
history and immediately came up with three posts regarding Stiegemeier's
customer attitude. I first want to say that I believe Bob was having a bad
day and wasn't thinking when he blew me off. Regardless, he hasn't tried
to call or e-mail so I guess he either hasn't visited our forum again or
he doesn't care to discuss the way I was treated.

Here are the links to the Modular Ford Forum sent to me by my
son-in-law:

http://www.modularfords.com/forums/s...ht=Stiegemeier

http://www.modularfords.com/forums/s...ht=Stiegemeier

http://www.modularfords.com/forums/s...ht=Stiegemeier

He says there are others, but I don't intend to take this issue beyond this
point.

I will be taking my STR to the Dyno Shop in the morning and will post
the results here tomorrow evening. I'm also planning on going to the
San Antonio Raceway for a few runs down the strip to get more data
before I do anything to the intake or exhaust, which at this point are
bone stock.
 
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Old 07-31-2010, 05:55 AM
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I'm at the edge of my STR's drivers seat eagerly waiting for your STR's "Snake Bite" kit dyno-pull.
 
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Old 07-31-2010, 10:17 AM
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That's a whole lot of bad. I am eager to see what happens next...
 
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Old 07-31-2010, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ttwotees
I will be taking my STR to the Dyno Shop in the morning and will post
the results here tomorrow evening. I'm also planning on going to the
San Antonio Raceway for a few runs down the strip to get more data
before I do anything to the intake or exhaust, which at this point are
bone stock.
Thanks to the mods for re-opening a very important thread.

I'm just the noob here, but if we can keep it civil I think it'll be best for all parties involved. I've been doing my research on Steig's porting and from what I've read on the mustang and svt forums his work is lauded. The problems seem to occur (and the links you provided confirm) with his big time Stage 4 and 5 porting. Honestly I'm not looking for 600RWP and I don't anticipate any structural problems with getting a port and polish with whoever I choose. It takes an experienced hand, but it's not rocket science.

Ttwotees, are you doing these dyno pulls with Bob's recommended spark plugs or are you going in stock? Good luck, can't wait to hear the report. I'm itching to spend some $$
 
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Old 07-31-2010, 12:18 PM
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When I talked to Bob he was VERY helpful and pleasant. But he wants you to run copper core plugs. So he said when I install the blower pull a stock plug and tell him what it is. He will cross it over to a recommended copper core version.

He also wanted a low temperature thermostat installed as well as a valve cover breather to vent crankcase pressure. Said the stock system could be overwhelmed and then the oil would be forced out probability thru a gasket somewhere causing a oil seep or leak. I have since read that Jaguars don't react well to the lower temp thermostat.
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It will be nice when a complete package is confirmed and bugs worked out. I can't wait for Andre to be finished with his setup.
 
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Were there already pics posted of this port work?
 
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Old 07-31-2010, 05:11 PM
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I did change the plugs to the NGK BKR7E and I ran the Dyno test this morning, but the results were puny.
I will be making a post with print outs later today.
 
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Old 07-31-2010, 05:14 PM
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Yes, but they appear in an earlier post about repairing the coolant leak and removing
the supercharger about a week earlier
 
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Old 07-31-2010, 05:53 PM
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Have you considered getting an oil separator for your pcv line(s), like what the terminator/gt500 crowd do? It seems to be a customary mod when upgrading their blowers, since they suffer from a lot of blow-by oil vapors coating the intake & rotors. It might be a good investment.
 
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Originally Posted by ttwotees
I did change the plugs to the NGK BKR7E and I ran the Dyno test this morning, but the results were puny.
I will be making a post with print outs later today.
Could you please elaborate? Puny in what way? NGKs make for a small increase in performance or did the whole Snakebite package lead to only a small power gain?
 
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Old 07-31-2010, 06:58 PM
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You mean there is none on this car? On my turbo cars I have them and for my track car I just vent to atmosphere because even with that in place eventually the intercoolers get coated with oil. That would be very hard to clean on this car.

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Have you considered getting an oil separator for your pcv line(s), like what the terminator/gt500 crowd do? It seems to be a customary mod when upgrading their blowers, since they suffer from a lot of blow-by oil vapors coating the intake & rotors. It might be a good investment.
 
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Old 07-31-2010, 10:11 PM
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Unhappy The Dyno Results -

I’ve been waiting for these results for about 3 weeks when I began removing
the blower so I was in great anticipation this morning when I went to the
dyno shop. I was trying not to have any great expectations, but was
expecting at least something over 400HP.

The initial results are disappointing to me , but I’ve gotten some data that I feel can be very useful in achieving the results I’m expecting.

The results of today’s Dyno test are much lower than they should be even
without any gear change or porting, so at this point I don’t fault any of
Stiegemeiers work because the ECU apparently was being an excellent
guardian of the engine because the air/fuel ratio continued to drop from
about 13:1 at idle to about 10 or 10.5:1 at the max. HP point.

Unfortunately the Dyno man’s vacuum sensor attachment was inoperative,
so we were unable to also measure boost.

The Dyno sheets are attached to this post, but fellows, I need some help
from you folks who have more performance experience with making
modifications to accommodate the performance adds.

First, I need to make several observations:
1. After re-installing the blower, the check engine light was on and there
were 0 DTC codes.
2. The Air/Fuel ratio is very fat (rich) resulting in lost horsepower.
3. HP and Torque readings are substantially lower than they should be, even
at stock.

Does anyone know who can reprogram the ECU to maintain the A/F ratio at approx. 11.8:1 at WOT ? (for a reasonable price ? (I can't afford $995.00)

Do I need to make timing changes ?

Any suggestions (from experience) would be appreciated.

I would have gotten this advice from Stegeimeier, but don’t think that will
happen now since he hasn’t seemed to be willing to accept my offer of
letting bygones be bygones.

Sorry I'm so late posting these results. It's been a very busy day. Thanks for your patieice.
 
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