Temporarily turn off bells when I turn the key?
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I am trying to hear if my fuel pump is running in a attempt to resolve a startup problem. Car wont start up, but does crank strongly. I was told if I turn the key to the second position that I would hear the fuel pump running for a few seconds. However when I turn the key to the second position I hear a chimes or bells over everything else. These chimes or bells only last a few seconds but impede on me hearing the fuel pump. How do I turn off these chimes upon turning the ignition key? I already removed back seat to expose the fuel pump. When I turn the ignition key to second position, how long how long should the fuel pump run? How loud should the sound of the fuel pump be?
Last edited by BKSinAZ; 11-12-2015 at 04:01 PM.
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There should be no chimes so they are a clue to the fault.
Exactly which chimes can help you figure what the fault is.
When there is a fault it can be that it will mean the fuel pump is not activated.
So... you really do need to figure what is wrong and fix it rather than worrying about the fuel pump.
(I think the car can't prevent the cranking, even when such a fault is present.)
An example, which I suspect isn't your case, of such a lock-out: not in Park.
Exactly which chimes can help you figure what the fault is.
When there is a fault it can be that it will mean the fuel pump is not activated.
So... you really do need to figure what is wrong and fix it rather than worrying about the fuel pump.
(I think the car can't prevent the cranking, even when such a fault is present.)
An example, which I suspect isn't your case, of such a lock-out: not in Park.
Last edited by JagV8; 11-12-2015 at 04:12 PM.
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There should be no chimes so they are a clue to the fault.
Exactly which chimes can help you figure what the fault is.
When there is a fault it can be that it will mean the fuel pump is not activated.
So... you really do need to figure what is wrong and fix it rather than worrying about the fuel pump.
(I think the car can't prevent the cranking, even when such a fault is present.)
An example, which I suspect isn't your case, of such a lock-out: not in Park.
Exactly which chimes can help you figure what the fault is.
When there is a fault it can be that it will mean the fuel pump is not activated.
So... you really do need to figure what is wrong and fix it rather than worrying about the fuel pump.
(I think the car can't prevent the cranking, even when such a fault is present.)
An example, which I suspect isn't your case, of such a lock-out: not in Park.
Jagv8.. you and I spoke about this problem last week. I purchased the Elm 327 and torque software. The car is 4 hours away and I am currently en route to the car. I will run the codes when I get there. I just posted the question about turning off the chimes in the event that it was not part of the problem. Just trying to brainstorm while I am in route during my four hour drive.
Last edited by BKSinAZ; 11-12-2015 at 04:46 PM.
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, my car is an 05 S type with a v6. Correct me if I am wrong but it does not appear that this car came with an inline valve Schrader type to hook up a fuel pump gauge. I will not be installing one. The best I can come up with is to remove the outline of the fuel filter to see if there is any spray. If you can think of an easier way feel free to comment. Currently I am in the middle of a four hour drive up to the car.
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It should not have bells. It's reporting a problem (possibly but not necessarily something you're doing - make sure you have door closed, seat belt on, foot on brake, no lights on, just be normal).
It can refuse to start for many reasons. You sound like you think they are all PATS-related but they aren't (e.g. not in park).
It can refuse to start for many reasons. You sound like you think they are all PATS-related but they aren't (e.g. not in park).
Last edited by JagV8; 11-12-2015 at 05:37 PM.
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It should not have bells. It's reporting a problem (possibly but not necessarily something you're doing - make sure you have door closed, seat belt on, foot on brake, no lights on, just be normal).
It can refuse to start for many reasons. You sound like you think they are all PATS-related but they aren't (e.g. not in park).
It can refuse to start for many reasons. You sound like you think they are all PATS-related but they aren't (e.g. not in park).
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It should not have bells. It's reporting a problem (possibly but not necessarily something you're doing - make sure you have door closed, seat belt on, foot on brake, no lights on, just be normal).
It can refuse to start for many reasons. You sound like you think they are all PATS-related but they aren't (e.g. not in park).
It can refuse to start for many reasons. You sound like you think they are all PATS-related but they aren't (e.g. not in park).
With rear seat removed, as I Lay down in the rear compartment with my ear up against the fuel pump, I had my wife turn the key to second position. I could hear a very faint Electrical hum sound but not the sound of the pump actually pumping or working. As she turned the key off the electrical type of sound went away. Keep in mind that this electrical type of sound which really was a very faint hum was barely audible unless my ear was right up against the fuel pump and I have very excellent hearing. Not at all audible from the front seat. Codes are as follows...
P0191 powertrain. Fuel rail pressure sensor circuit range/ performance.
P0442 powertrain. Evaporative emission control system leak detected.
P0456 small leak detected possible gas cap or hose etc.
P1111( click on code for further description) many other vehicle name brands such as Ford, Audi, triumph, among a few others but no description listed for Jaguar.
Last edited by BKSinAZ; 11-13-2015 at 01:34 PM.
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If my research is correct, and correct me if I'm wrong, the p1111 code is not a fault code but just a diagnostic code implying that the system completed its diagnostics successfully.
I am four and a half hours from home and due to my location and lack of computer I am relying on the generosity of the members of this forum for assistance. I am NOT normally one to need my hands held to resolve issues so I plead for your patience in my unique situation.
As far as the codes I listed, is there anything that sticks out that would prevent my car from starting? Keep in mind it cranks just fine.
I am fortunate that there are 2 auto parts stores in the area but I do not have the kind of money for a dealership.
Last edited by BKSinAZ; 11-13-2015 at 02:10 PM.
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Something might be wrong with the Jaguar webpage that the Handbook is on because I have been able to download technical bulletins, fuse diagrams from the Jaguar website but not this handbook. At this time I might need a little hand holding to guide me through what I need to be looking at . Did anything stand out with the codes I posted?
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Your car has a Schrader valve as well as a fuel pressure sensor.
You can hook a gauge up but as a rule of thumb if you depress the center of the valve to release pressure it should spray up a couple of feet. If it just bubbles out that's a sign of low fuel pressure.
Just a quick check that does not require any tools.
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You can hook a gauge up but as a rule of thumb if you depress the center of the valve to release pressure it should spray up a couple of feet. If it just bubbles out that's a sign of low fuel pressure.
Just a quick check that does not require any tools.
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Your car has a Schrader valve as well as a fuel pressure sensor.
You can hook a gauge up but as a rule of thumb if you depress the center of the valve to release pressure it should spray up a couple of feet. If it just bubbles out that's a sign of low fuel pressure.
Just a quick check that does not require any tools.
.
.
.
You can hook a gauge up but as a rule of thumb if you depress the center of the valve to release pressure it should spray up a couple of feet. If it just bubbles out that's a sign of low fuel pressure.
Just a quick check that does not require any tools.
.
.
.
Last edited by BKSinAZ; 11-13-2015 at 06:37 PM.