Waterless Coolant
#61
08-12-2014, 01:29 PM
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The Evans coolant expands and contracts no differently than any other liquid. The ONLY difference is the point at which it boils.
Taking the cap off to watch the level rise with conventional coolant is a bit of a circus sideshow slight of hand trick that's not comparable to actual running conditions. It induces a condition that does not exist when the cap is in place.
Taking the cap off to watch the level rise with conventional coolant is a bit of a circus sideshow slight of hand trick that's not comparable to actual running conditions. It induces a condition that does not exist when the cap is in place.
#62
08-12-2014, 01:38 PM
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Oem is already given 10 years of service life by Jaguar and it is free of silicate, nitrite, borate, phosphate, nitrate and amines, so you are right that JagV8 will not see any issues there on the water pump ;-)
Am certainly not afraid to try something else, and I would even consider waterless coolant like evans. I really like some aspects of it, the lower toxicity levels amongst others, the high performance aspects and zero pressure.
Although on paper it all looks good what you say of poats, the OEM coolant does suffice already very well for most of us (not many need 750Kmiles protection) and it doesn’t contain the nasty additives you mention that are harmful, where I can understand it would make a difference for commercial vehicle fleets.
Just my 2 cents.
Am certainly not afraid to try something else, and I would even consider waterless coolant like evans. I really like some aspects of it, the lower toxicity levels amongst others, the high performance aspects and zero pressure.
Although on paper it all looks good what you say of poats, the OEM coolant does suffice already very well for most of us (not many need 750Kmiles protection) and it doesn’t contain the nasty additives you mention that are harmful, where I can understand it would make a difference for commercial vehicle fleets.
Just my 2 cents.
I know a few ppl that use the waterless with no issues.
But I'm not trying to sell anybody anything just explaining y POAT is a better antifreeze again use what u want
Avos I know you get it and were some don't understand. And never will .
Y would I try to sell anybody 1 gallon of antifreeze on here when I can sell 55-330 up 5,000 gallons to bigger company.
I'm just telling ppl what's out there and what's new in the world of antifreeze.
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08-12-2014, 01:41 PM
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08-12-2014, 01:45 PM
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Doing it with falsehoods and lies is not helping. Just stop, please. Or maybe go to Off Topic, as it really is OFF TOPIC.
Mods: any chance you could move this to Off Topic? It's got essentially nothing to do with S-Types, frankly.
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08-12-2014, 02:12 PM
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Evans makes no claims contradicting this.
A car equipped with Evans coolant will still build pressure in the system until it reaches the set point of the rad cap, no different than with conventional coolant or water.
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#68
08-12-2014, 03:13 PM
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Yeah I was ask Y poly antifreeze is better then OEM / HOAT and OAT type antifreeze. I broke it down all the way to the chemistry and they still didn't understand guess the 16 years on here would not understand. Better corrosion and cavitation protection is better any day of the week. I'm done on this blog
Everyone have a great day .
Everyone have a great day .
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08-12-2014, 04:14 PM
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Better is always good, but I suppose it depends on the degree of improvement balanced against the additional cost.
The cost of "hot" coolant passed over at the bottom of a Walmart parking lot needs to be excluded from any calculation.
Looks like we need all to agree to disagree on this one and carry on using what we like best.
The cost of "hot" coolant passed over at the bottom of a Walmart parking lot needs to be excluded from any calculation.
Looks like we need all to agree to disagree on this one and carry on using what we like best.
#70
08-12-2014, 04:28 PM
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I'm kinda glad you did, but it has been tedious and repetitive.
I really don't need a coolant that outlives me or my coolant hoses. What I would like rickyrich007 (or any other coolant consultant) to tell me, in simple words, is:
(a) If I replace OE with Evans, how much hotter will the coolant run and how will that affect IAT's,
(b) The pressure in an OE-coolant radiator is maybe 12-15 psi. What would this pressure be if OE is replaced with an identical volume of Evans.
What I DON'T want to hear is one more word about OAT, HOAT, POAT, silicates, nitrites, borates or phosphates.
I really don't need a coolant that outlives me or my coolant hoses. What I would like rickyrich007 (or any other coolant consultant) to tell me, in simple words, is:
(a) If I replace OE with Evans, how much hotter will the coolant run and how will that affect IAT's,
(b) The pressure in an OE-coolant radiator is maybe 12-15 psi. What would this pressure be if OE is replaced with an identical volume of Evans.
What I DON'T want to hear is one more word about OAT, HOAT, POAT, silicates, nitrites, borates or phosphates.
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#71
08-12-2014, 11:40 PM
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Again, no. There's nothing that makes Evans coolant expand at a rate notably different than any other coolant, including pure water.
Evans makes no claims contradicting this.
A car equipped with Evans coolant will still build pressure in the system until it reaches the set point of the rad cap, no different than with conventional coolant or water.
Evans makes no claims contradicting this.
A car equipped with Evans coolant will still build pressure in the system until it reaches the set point of the rad cap, no different than with conventional coolant or water.
However the thing I remembered with the car I had it on, was that the pressure was just way lower on the tubes.
#72
08-12-2014, 11:55 PM
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I'm kinda glad you did, but it has been tedious and repetitive.
I really don't need a coolant that outlives me or my coolant hoses. What I would like rickyrich007 (or any other coolant consultant) to tell me, in simple words, is:
(a) If I replace OE with Evans, how much hotter will the coolant run and how will that affect IAT's,
(b) The pressure in an OE-coolant radiator is maybe 12-15 psi. What would this pressure be if OE is replaced with an identical volume of Evans.
What I DON'T want to hear is one more word about OAT, HOAT, POAT, silicates, nitrites, borates or phosphates.
I really don't need a coolant that outlives me or my coolant hoses. What I would like rickyrich007 (or any other coolant consultant) to tell me, in simple words, is:
(a) If I replace OE with Evans, how much hotter will the coolant run and how will that affect IAT's,
(b) The pressure in an OE-coolant radiator is maybe 12-15 psi. What would this pressure be if OE is replaced with an identical volume of Evans.
What I DON'T want to hear is one more word about OAT, HOAT, POAT, silicates, nitrites, borates or phosphates.
This all is just too much hassle with limited benefits for standard cars imho. I am only considering this as I am upping my power even more than I already have, and don’t want to replace all my aging (250Kmiles) rubber hoses, so like the pressure less part of it.
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08-13-2014, 11:08 AM
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LOL.
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08-15-2014, 10:57 AM
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That one (even with the normal pressure cap) did run a lower pressure already, at least that was noticeable when squeezing the hoses.
Will decide in a month or 2 what I will do on my car, i.e. evans or oem coolant.
But I don’t think Evans is worth the trouble for standard cars, I wouldn’t do it at least.
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