Having trouble justifying an F-Type V6 S Coupe
#41
03-21-2016, 12:16 PM
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03-21-2016, 12:21 PM
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#43
03-21-2016, 12:29 PM
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Actually, it's 1/10 sec. quicker to 60 according to the JLR published spec. Also the 40 extra HP only shows up above 5K rpm. Until that point, they have approximately equal HP.
Most significantly, it only has 7 ft lbs. more torque, which is round-off error. Torque is what give you the experience of acceleration.
Most significantly, it only has 7 ft lbs. more torque, which is round-off error. Torque is what give you the experience of acceleration.
But that's fascinating. I am wondering what % of the lifetime of the S utilizes that extra HP. I guess I need to get the S to try. =) If I get anything it's that project 7. lol
I *am* starting to wonder if I can wait on the clutch tho. I was just driving around SF hills the other day and it's like a hostage negotiation every time I want to shift from 1st to 2nd.
#44
03-21-2016, 02:08 PM
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This car is an emotional purchase. Cross shopping will reveal that other cars weigh less, are better balanced, are better track performers, have a larger dealer network, have more hp., etc., etc., etc. None of that really mattered to me after I drove it. It's my DD. In fact I car pool with one of my daughters and actually miss it on her days to drive.
It's a comfortable riding ***** cat on a daily commute that is instantly changeable to an angry raging cat and is quicker and handles better than 95% of the cars out there (the V8 is anyway).
It's a comfortable riding ***** cat on a daily commute that is instantly changeable to an angry raging cat and is quicker and handles better than 95% of the cars out there (the V8 is anyway).
#45
03-21-2016, 03:47 PM
IMO, the V8 makes much more sense to me. However, I would prefer a manual, and certainly wouldn't want AWD. I just can't get my head around the V6 S. I cannot imagine paying that much money for, IMO, somewhat tepid performance in a sports car, despite it being beautiful or luxurious, etc.
Can you V8 guys in this thread (and I see there is a substantial number of you) say you were also interested in the V6? I certainly wasn't interested in a regular XK when I bought my XKR!
Can you V8 guys in this thread (and I see there is a substantial number of you) say you were also interested in the V6? I certainly wasn't interested in a regular XK when I bought my XKR!
#46
03-21-2016, 04:34 PM
This thread is turning more into a why a V6 instead of a V8 discussion
well, here's my reasons
1. mine "will" be a daily and the cost of fuel on that basis is a major issue in the UK - mid 30mpg for the V6 and low 20mpg for the V8
and
2. I live in a fairly compact area and on start up from cold at 07:00 every morning would not go down well with the V8 and my neighbours
well, here's my reasons
1. mine "will" be a daily and the cost of fuel on that basis is a major issue in the UK - mid 30mpg for the V6 and low 20mpg for the V8
and
2. I live in a fairly compact area and on start up from cold at 07:00 every morning would not go down well with the V8 and my neighbours
#47
03-21-2016, 04:53 PM
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IMO, the V8 makes much more sense to me. However, I would prefer a manual, and certainly wouldn't want AWD. I just can't get my head around the V6 S. I cannot imagine paying that much money for, IMO, somewhat tepid performance in a sports car, despite it being beautiful or luxurious, etc.
Can you V8 guys in this thread (and I see there is a substantial number of you) say you were also interested in the V6? I certainly wasn't interested in a regular XK when I bought my XKR!
Can you V8 guys in this thread (and I see there is a substantial number of you) say you were also interested in the V6? I certainly wasn't interested in a regular XK when I bought my XKR!
But, what I liked about the S is everything I like about the R, minus the acceleration. The S looks amazing, sounds great (some would say better than the R), and is quite comfortable. The performance is more than enough for daily road use and the car is still quite fun to throw around. It's also rather less likely to kill you if you do something stupid.
However, for me the R was the right choice. I just love the way it flies and the angry noises it makes.
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03-21-2016, 04:56 PM
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03-21-2016, 05:05 PM
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The updated flywheel arrived at my dealer today and they expect the clutch kit this week yet. Hope this does it. Keep your fingers crossed.
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#50
03-21-2016, 08:53 PM
This thread is turning more into a why a V6 instead of a V8 discussion
well, here's my reasons
1. mine "will" be a daily and the cost of fuel on that basis is a major issue in the UK - mid 30mpg for the V6 and low 20mpg for the V8
and
2. I live in a fairly compact area and on start up from cold at 07:00 every morning would not go down well with the V8 and my neighbours
well, here's my reasons
1. mine "will" be a daily and the cost of fuel on that basis is a major issue in the UK - mid 30mpg for the V6 and low 20mpg for the V8
and
2. I live in a fairly compact area and on start up from cold at 07:00 every morning would not go down well with the V8 and my neighbours
I justified the V6S over the V6 because
- LSD
- Active dynamics
The Super Performance brakes got me torque-vectoring and electronic LSD as part of the package. Was it worth the extra? That wasn't a huge jump in price. That was probably the most reasonable of the options.
Was the Active Dynamics worth it? Probably not. Once set up, I never switch, and a don't like the dynamic throttle at all. If I were to do it again I might forego that and just upgrade to some premium dampers.
As for 6 vs. 8, a few other factors came into play:
- Manual Transmission
- RWD
- I could feel the extra weight of the V8 on my test loop
- Too easy to get the electronic nanny to cut power. Acceleration is exhilarating, but I also like driving, and am fortunate to have some pretty spectacular driving roads near home.
#51
03-22-2016, 12:52 AM
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I can certainly see the appeal of the V8, but seriously unless you are going to regularly track the car, the performance of the V6 is more than enough for the road, and it still can easily flick the tail out, it is very willing when you put the foot down and it still sounds glorious.
If you are buying the car purely for speed, then you will be happier with the V8, but if you want a very livable, fun balanced package and outright speed is not your main aim the V6S is a lovely car.
If you are buying the car purely for speed, then you will be happier with the V8, but if you want a very livable, fun balanced package and outright speed is not your main aim the V6S is a lovely car.
#52
03-22-2016, 07:28 AM
I can understand the trouble you are having. Maybe telling you about my buying process will help. When I started my car search i wasn't sure exactly what I wanted even in terms of type of car, let alone model. I knew I wanted something I would enjoy driving and that was "fast" and that's about all I had. I also knew I wanted some degree of luxury.
With that in mind I set out and drove at least 12 different cars. Some were cheaper than the F-Type. Some were mor
e expensive. Some were faster. Some had better interior materials. Some had better handling. Some had better in-car electronics.
None made me smile like the F-Type did. In the end I gathered up mountains of data, created a spreadsheet tracking data and my impressions on each car, and then promptly threw it all away and bought the one my heart wanted. The one I couldn't stop thinking about. I'm only 3-4 months in, but I'm 100% sure I made the right decision. I love this car. Far more than I would have loved any of the others.
You have to do what's right for you. Go drive an F-Type. If after you drive it that's what you want, ignore everything about specs and just remember the whole point of this kind of car is to enjoy it.
With that in mind I set out and drove at least 12 different cars. Some were cheaper than the F-Type. Some were mor
e expensive. Some were faster. Some had better interior materials. Some had better handling. Some had better in-car electronics.
None made me smile like the F-Type did. In the end I gathered up mountains of data, created a spreadsheet tracking data and my impressions on each car, and then promptly threw it all away and bought the one my heart wanted. The one I couldn't stop thinking about. I'm only 3-4 months in, but I'm 100% sure I made the right decision. I love this car. Far more than I would have loved any of the others.
You have to do what's right for you. Go drive an F-Type. If after you drive it that's what you want, ignore everything about specs and just remember the whole point of this kind of car is to enjoy it.
#53
03-22-2016, 08:46 AM
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Porsche 911 S
Porsche Cayman GTS
Audi RS5
BMW M4
Tesla Model S
MB AMG C63
Chevy Corvette Z06
Maserati GranTurismo
Audi R8
Cadillac CTS-V
Nissan GT-R
Lexus RC-F
If you'd like my thoughts on any/all of them just lmk
#54
03-22-2016, 11:16 AM
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My pop just hung up 30 yrs worth of Caddy keys for a Merc. I tested that CTS for a day with him... they threw him the keys and let us take it 300 miles for the entire day. GREAT car. Under the radar performance for sure. It's interesting their rebirth... they know they are losing old white dudes and moving into Asian and Black demographics, and it's working. It's angles are too brutal for me, and it's still too big a car, and the back seats of almost any sedan are worthless... there is less room in the Caddy than my wife's mini-cooper. Still, I am surprised they are losing their core demographic at the same time as making up for past mistakes. Maybe too little too late.
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03-22-2016, 11:18 AM
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#56
03-22-2016, 12:42 PM
Having said that, I would be interested in your opinion on the M4 and Z06 just for curiosity's sake.
I'm also interested in the BMW i8 if anyone has tested one....
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03-22-2016, 12:57 PM
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The current Z06 is a monster capable of being a good daily driver. I loved my C6 Z06, but the C7 has really upped the ante. The real bargain is the base C7, which for $55K is faster around a track (at least Laguna Seca--see link below) than the F-Type R @ double the price.
This link might be interesting to some in comparing the F-Type to the performance of other cars.
Laguna Seca (post 1988) lap times - FastestLaps.com
This link might be interesting to some in comparing the F-Type to the performance of other cars.
Laguna Seca (post 1988) lap times - FastestLaps.com
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#58
03-22-2016, 01:00 PM
I did the spreadsheet bit, with research, on a number of those adding the Aston and the MB SL, then I started driving some of them. I owned a Cayman S at the time. All of the research and all of the numbers are really just a waste of time. Despite how analytical I am or may want to be, the love affair with a car is visceral and emotional. No doubt the emotions are different for each of us. Having said that, nothing gave me the same feeling that the F-Type did. Sure, there were features on some of the other cars that were better than the Jaguar, but I just felt a bond with the F-Type. Can't explain it. In the end, I suggest that somebody else's opinion does not matter. Drive what you can, what you can afford, what is available, then you should know which one makes you smile the most. I should say that the Vette came close, but the Jaguar is just more refined, luxurious, and better built. I would have loved to spend less money and have it serviced locally, but the Jaguar had a pull I could not resist.
Larry
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03-22-2016, 01:05 PM
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Interesting discussion;
No doubt the Z06 is a far better bang for the buck....I just didn't want one nor would I realize the performance difference on the street. The M4 was cool but I eventually dismissed it because I wanted a sportscar not a sedan. The I8 was pricey, not that quick and I figured the styling may date itself very quickly.
The Tesla didn't get a moments thought for me; If I'm buying an electric car, it'll be a $20,000 from A to B transportation appliance only.
Dave
No doubt the Z06 is a far better bang for the buck....I just didn't want one nor would I realize the performance difference on the street. The M4 was cool but I eventually dismissed it because I wanted a sportscar not a sedan. The I8 was pricey, not that quick and I figured the styling may date itself very quickly.
The Tesla didn't get a moments thought for me; If I'm buying an electric car, it'll be a $20,000 from A to B transportation appliance only.
Dave
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03-22-2016, 03:29 PM
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