XJS First Drive and Overheating Concern
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Jonathan-W - That's cool. I have no idea how to play the koto myself, but like the sound it makes. Here's some pics of the car and the countryside I drive it in....
I did saturate the colours a bit just to make it really pop. Kingfisher Blue. There's a few tiny chips in the paint, but otherwise flawless as far as I can tell. I need to wash and polish it however.
Boosted the shadows, so you can see on a hot sunny day (with clouds) on the open flat road the temp is fine. Those are rice paddies on the right if anyone is wondering.
I really love that view down the bonnet. It's like being in the Batmobile or something.
I did saturate the colours a bit just to make it really pop. Kingfisher Blue. There's a few tiny chips in the paint, but otherwise flawless as far as I can tell. I need to wash and polish it however.
Boosted the shadows, so you can see on a hot sunny day (with clouds) on the open flat road the temp is fine. Those are rice paddies on the right if anyone is wondering.
I really love that view down the bonnet. It's like being in the Batmobile or something.
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Not terribly clear, but this is a shot of the leaves on the radiator seen through the narrow slot between the condenser and the oil cooler (I think those are what they are).
I've read that there are supposed to be rubber flaps by the fans that open and close to direct air depending on the temperature. I cannot find anything like that by mine. The fan shroud (solid metal), the fans (solid plastic), and associated wiring, but no rubber flaps that I can find. Am I looking in the wrong place?
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[QUOTE=Some Day, Some Day;1500886
I've read that there are supposed to be rubber flaps by the fans that open and close to direct air depending on the temperature. I cannot find anything like that by mine. The fan shroud (solid metal), the fans (solid plastic), and associated wiring, but no rubber flaps that I can find. Am I looking in the wrong place?[/QUOTE]
Not sure about a '92 but earlier models, at least, had the flaps in the shroud for the electric cooling fan. I the pic below go to item #4. The four rectangular openings are where the flaps would be.
Cooling Fan Cowl-Mechanical-5.3 Litre - Parts For XJS from (V)139052 to (V)179736 | Jaguar Classic Parts UK
They're not temp controlled. They're pressure relief devices to let air out
Cheers
DD
I've read that there are supposed to be rubber flaps by the fans that open and close to direct air depending on the temperature. I cannot find anything like that by mine. The fan shroud (solid metal), the fans (solid plastic), and associated wiring, but no rubber flaps that I can find. Am I looking in the wrong place?[/QUOTE]
Not sure about a '92 but earlier models, at least, had the flaps in the shroud for the electric cooling fan. I the pic below go to item #4. The four rectangular openings are where the flaps would be.
Cooling Fan Cowl-Mechanical-5.3 Litre - Parts For XJS from (V)139052 to (V)179736 | Jaguar Classic Parts UK
They're not temp controlled. They're pressure relief devices to let air out
Cheers
DD
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ok 168k km (104miles) and new radiator 92f 33C temp was only to the left of the middle and did go to 3/4 after 5 minutes of shut off. restarting the car temp dropped to just to the left of the middle with in a minute or two...
first check your coolant level... when I took delivery of mine I found that the coolant kept being of a low level... no drips on the driveway though...
I found that if I added coolant every day about 1/2 gallon to a gallon it would not get over the half way mark on the temp.. after a week or two of always adding coolant to where is was always full I found 3 pin holes in the top run of the radiator they were letting steam out which is why I could not see any leak on the drive way or see any dripping... prodigious over filling of the coolant system finally help me find the leak...
I am not saying yours has a leak could be something else...
I would start by looking in between the air condenser and the radiator...
also your oil pressure looks like you got the dealer upgraded sensor ...
at that engine temp mine is ah... fine to me but worries then uninformed...
also this nice XJS is in Japan... they have different emission standards... he Might have a set of thermostats that are of a temp rating that is higher than we are used to seeing.... We should look into the Japanese recommended thermostat rating... mine are stock, even though I bought the lower temp stats (I never put them in)
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flaps below electric fan
they are located below the electric fan
I pulled min apart and cleaned and repainted and checked the Flaps and re-riveted them to the fan shroud (yes, the fan shroud is really in two parts... cool huh?)
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I tried to get the coolant caps off, but the side one (overflow tank/forget the exact name, sorry) just won't budge. The dealer clearly put that one on very tight indeed. The main one will twist, but I seem to get caught up in the flanges and can't actually pull it off. Odd. It wasn't a serious attempt, so I'll give it a go later, but I would imagine coolant levels are good as the shop said they'd replaced it all before delivery.
I don't think the thermostat is different for Japan. The needle should be in the middle normally, even here. Interesting about the pinholes, however. I haven't noticed any steam when opening the bonnet when the engine is hot, but it's certainly something to check.
I don't think the thermostat is different for Japan. The needle should be in the middle normally, even here. Interesting about the pinholes, however. I haven't noticed any steam when opening the bonnet when the engine is hot, but it's certainly something to check.
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seconded!
BEAUTIFUL!
I have not played Koto since my last class recital in Japanese music ensemble that was in 1981... man I have people I work with that were not even born...
I'll post some Pictures... we have White sand beaches... and a large Bay and very small hills north in the county lots of contrast...
my Grandmother came down from the state of Missouri (the middle of the country) and it was July we took her to the beach and when she got out of the car her EYEs got WIDE and she exclaimed "SNOW!".... we laughed and reached down and handed her a hand full of the white sand.... a sweet memory
BEAUTIFUL!
I have not played Koto since my last class recital in Japanese music ensemble that was in 1981... man I have people I work with that were not even born...
I'll post some Pictures... we have White sand beaches... and a large Bay and very small hills north in the county lots of contrast...
my Grandmother came down from the state of Missouri (the middle of the country) and it was July we took her to the beach and when she got out of the car her EYEs got WIDE and she exclaimed "SNOW!".... we laughed and reached down and handed her a hand full of the white sand.... a sweet memory
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I tried to get the coolant caps off, but the side one (overflow tank/forget the exact name, sorry) just won't budge. The dealer clearly put that one on very tight indeed. The main one will twist, but I seem to get caught up in the flanges and can't actually pull it off. Odd. It wasn't a serious attempt, so I'll give it a go later, but I would imagine coolant levels are good as the shop said they'd replaced it all before delivery.
I don't think the thermostat is different for Japan. The needle should be in the middle normally, even here. Interesting about the pinholes, however. I haven't noticed any steam when opening the bonnet when the engine is hot, but it's certainly something to check.
I don't think the thermostat is different for Japan. The needle should be in the middle normally, even here. Interesting about the pinholes, however. I haven't noticed any steam when opening the bonnet when the engine is hot, but it's certainly something to check.
turn counter clock wise until it stops.... press down and turn some more...
careful do not burn your self...always release the one on the expansion tank FIRST just turn it counter clock wise until it stops that will help relieve pressure.... if you have pressure you do not have a pin hole leak... the cap on the pipe on the engine should only be removed AFTER the pressure is released from the system...
I never noticed steam... I finally notice 2mm streams of coolant squirting through the electric fan when the fan was not running... notice one first then I noticed 2 I found the third on the disassembly of the coolant system on and my vapor tubes were Swiss cheese on the ends. I had to use a water and steam proof high temp epoxy putty to repair them... and nicely painted...
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The garage says the radiator is chock full of muck (internally) and needs to be replaced, so I'm in contact with Wizard to ask about their shipping rates for their aluminium ones - even with shipping it'll be cheaper than buying a normal one in Japan.
The oil issue I mentioned on another thread appears to be due to a leaking oil pump, but the transmission will have to come out and be checked to be certain. However, there doesn't appear to be any contamination of the tranny oil with coolant, so that's a minor relief. I'm still looking at many thousands in repair costs. If it fixes the issues, it's money well spent.
Thanks to all the advice here, I was at least able to discuss the issues with some degree of knowledge, which was helpful.
The oil issue I mentioned on another thread appears to be due to a leaking oil pump, but the transmission will have to come out and be checked to be certain. However, there doesn't appear to be any contamination of the tranny oil with coolant, so that's a minor relief. I'm still looking at many thousands in repair costs. If it fixes the issues, it's money well spent.
Thanks to all the advice here, I was at least able to discuss the issues with some degree of knowledge, which was helpful.
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Yup!
In about 63, we lived in Mill Valley, California. My mom came to see us.
We took her on tours. Including Ocean Beach in nearby SF. As a Texas lady, an ocean was something to behold. Same for German born wife.
Both gals enthralled. Off with their shoes and waded in he light surf.
I kept a watchful eye on them and the kids...
Add some water to beach sands, it makes great missles. As good or better than mere snow.
Sure is a nice looking car and countryside as well.
Carl
In about 63, we lived in Mill Valley, California. My mom came to see us.
We took her on tours. Including Ocean Beach in nearby SF. As a Texas lady, an ocean was something to behold. Same for German born wife.
Both gals enthralled. Off with their shoes and waded in he light surf.
I kept a watchful eye on them and the kids...
Add some water to beach sands, it makes great missles. As good or better than mere snow.
Sure is a nice looking car and countryside as well.
Carl
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The oil issue I mentioned on another thread appears to be due to a leaking oil pump, but the transmission will have to come out and be checked to be certain. However, there doesn't appear to be any contamination of the tranny oil with coolant, so that's a minor relief. I'm still looking at many thousands in repair costs. If it fixes the issues, it's money well spent
I am glad you are getting somewhere with the car. It will be terrific when done, believe me.
Greg
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Adding to Gregs flushing.
Remove the metal tank on the LH side of the engine bay, 3 nuts on the wheel side, and have it flushed out. It does NOT drain when the cooling system is drained, and it fills with mud.
The atmospheric tank INSIDE the LH wheel aperture AFT of that wheel. A metal panel needs to be removed for access, is also full of mud, quaranteed. The hose that travels from the metal tank to that plastic atmospheric tank is probably buggered also.
Make 100% sure that they flush the heater core, BOTH WAYS, or the mud sitting in there will clog the new system in 30 seconds.
Remove the metal tank on the LH side of the engine bay, 3 nuts on the wheel side, and have it flushed out. It does NOT drain when the cooling system is drained, and it fills with mud.
The atmospheric tank INSIDE the LH wheel aperture AFT of that wheel. A metal panel needs to be removed for access, is also full of mud, quaranteed. The hose that travels from the metal tank to that plastic atmospheric tank is probably buggered also.
Make 100% sure that they flush the heater core, BOTH WAYS, or the mud sitting in there will clog the new system in 30 seconds.
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As Wizard's rad is custom-made for the XJS, I presume they know what sort of tranny cooler goes on. I've told them the year as well, so I hope they know what they're doing.
The garage did talk about flushing the engine, but I may have misunderstood - he gave me the impression that they would flush it once the new rad was on. As this seems like an excellent way to ruin the new rad, I presume I misunderstood. Definitely something to check, I'd say....
I asked about replacing the hoses, and he said he'll check them, and replace those that need it. I didn't ask about the thermostat - I've just ordered a black fan from Manners, and should have added a thermostat as well. They've already shipped the fan. Should I get the 82C V12 replacement one or the 88C XJ40 XJS OEM one? Manners only has the hose kit up to VIN144523 it seems.
500 quid? I wish.... I was quoted something rather substantially north of that. Very substantially north. Vastly further north. But yes, it is only a standard GM, so shouldn't be too hard. That's not to say that there won't be a "Luxury European Premium" tacked on....
I'll get onto the garage about the exact details, once I've had time to translate them so I know exactly what to specify (though the guy probably has a fair idea). It'll be a while before the rad gets here, anyway.
The garage did talk about flushing the engine, but I may have misunderstood - he gave me the impression that they would flush it once the new rad was on. As this seems like an excellent way to ruin the new rad, I presume I misunderstood. Definitely something to check, I'd say....
I asked about replacing the hoses, and he said he'll check them, and replace those that need it. I didn't ask about the thermostat - I've just ordered a black fan from Manners, and should have added a thermostat as well. They've already shipped the fan. Should I get the 82C V12 replacement one or the 88C XJ40 XJS OEM one? Manners only has the hose kit up to VIN144523 it seems.
500 quid? I wish.... I was quoted something rather substantially north of that. Very substantially north. Vastly further north. But yes, it is only a standard GM, so shouldn't be too hard. That's not to say that there won't be a "Luxury European Premium" tacked on....
I'll get onto the garage about the exact details, once I've had time to translate them so I know exactly what to specify (though the guy probably has a fair idea). It'll be a while before the rad gets here, anyway.
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And the flush MUST be done BEFORE the new rad is fitted! Tell them. As all the hoses are to be replaced (100% impossible to check them without removing them) flushing the heater core is pretty easily done.
I do not think there is much if any difference between the hose kits up to the Vin you quoted and what you need. If one or two small ones are not quite there, you can find replacements easily enough. These people seem Ok too, but no direct experience:
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Either way, you must renew all the coolant hoses, or one burst and you ruin all this hard work and expense.
Greg
I do not think there is much if any difference between the hose kits up to the Vin you quoted and what you need. If one or two small ones are not quite there, you can find replacements easily enough. These people seem Ok too, but no direct experience:
Classic Silicone Hoses - Our Products - Classic silicone hoses, Silicone hoses for classic cars, Silicone coolant hose, Silicone radiator hoses , Silicone heater hose, Silicon hose , high quality silicone hose, motorsport silicone hose, silicone rubb
Either way, you must renew all the coolant hoses, or one burst and you ruin all this hard work and expense.
Greg
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