Manual take rate as low as 3% for F-Type
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The V6S is a lovely car to drive with the auto, but if I had my time again and could get the right colour in a manual, I'd get the manual because I think a decent manual transmission would really suit the engine and the handling as well.
But then I think I would be slaughtered at trade-in time, I'd be surprised if a used manual would fetch 70% of the price of the used auto.
But then I think I would be slaughtered at trade-in time, I'd be surprised if a used manual would fetch 70% of the price of the used auto.
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Interesting that the numbers are almost opposite for manual vs automatic 2016 Miatas. When I was looking at them, I asked the salesman at my local Mazda dealer who wanted an automatic Miata and his answer was a simple "Nobody".
Given the popularity of Miatas there are clearly plenty of old school drivers out there.
For myself, I like both versions of the F type S but am glad I chose manual and, I say that after enduring a traffic jam from mid Connecticut all the way to New York last week.
Given the popularity of Miatas there are clearly plenty of old school drivers out there.
For myself, I like both versions of the F type S but am glad I chose manual and, I say that after enduring a traffic jam from mid Connecticut all the way to New York last week.
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Out of curiosity I did a search on cars.com.
Today in the US there are 1912 F-types listed of which 1157 are 6 cylinder. Of those, 819 are RWD, and 91 of those have MT.
Of course cars.com doesn't list everything and it doesn't include cars ordered direct by customers, and doesn't account for rate of inventory turn, but roughly suggests a "dealer take rate" of about 11%, if you only count the models that can be ordered with MT, 7.8% if you add AWD as well, and 4.8% of all F-types.
If 11% is realistic, I wonder if the 3% stat is MT percentage of all F-types, which really wouldn't be the right way to look at it, would it?
Today in the US there are 1912 F-types listed of which 1157 are 6 cylinder. Of those, 819 are RWD, and 91 of those have MT.
Of course cars.com doesn't list everything and it doesn't include cars ordered direct by customers, and doesn't account for rate of inventory turn, but roughly suggests a "dealer take rate" of about 11%, if you only count the models that can be ordered with MT, 7.8% if you add AWD as well, and 4.8% of all F-types.
If 11% is realistic, I wonder if the 3% stat is MT percentage of all F-types, which really wouldn't be the right way to look at it, would it?
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I read these numbers the other way. Less than 6 months supply of all F-Types are available for sale, yet more than 8 months worth of MT supply is available.
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Sin and Unhinged get zeeeeee joke. I shall not be putting that on my car. Maybe something clever: Orgy - 25 Insanely Clever License Plates You Wish You'd Thought Of | Complex
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I read these numbers the other way. Less than 6 months supply of all F-Types are available for sale, yet more than 8 months worth of MT supply is available.
I am confused by these numbers, as they counter-intuitively suggest that used F-type with MT are more desirable, as they move faster.
Granted we don't have all the data. But on AutoTrader it's about the same picture as cars.com: 1958 new F-types, 1258 6 cyl, 919 are RWD, 101 have MT, and the MT percentages about the same. AutoTrader used to, but no longer provides info on how long a car has been listed.
The thing is, if MT demand is really 3% as this guy was quoted as saying, MT is a dead duck. But if it's in the 11% range it should live, because I have this recollection that 10-15% was Jaguar's original MT take rate expectation. Someone please correct me it I'm wrong.
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Back in 2015, the press was thrown a 20% number:
Reviews | Top GearThat was certainly overly optimistic.
Reviews | Top GearThat was certainly overly optimistic.
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My first vehicle was a stick and I never looked back until I moved to the DC area. I'll confess the e-Type's clutch was tiresome on the beltline. While my toys since have all remained MT's, my daily drivers migrated to automatic. About a month ago, my local dealer was advertising all 2016's as $20k off, and I was inspired to go check their inventory. They still had a MT that was on the lot when we first went to gather information on the F-Pace back in March (which says some of them DO sit on the lot). I remembered the car because the configuration was perfect for me, so I took it out for a ride. Somewhat surprisingly, I came back underwhelmed. The 8-speed automatic is so good, it just made the MT feel more like work than fun. I guess I'm getting old!
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There is one model car I would ONLY have a manual in and that is an R8. That gated shifter and the metal on metal tapping as you follow the gate - heaven. I guess they stopped manuals in 2015. Their dual clutch is a tech marvel, but there is no way in hell anyone should drive an auto R8.
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Has this been done before? The Tremec mod, I mean? Honestly, this is something I dream of at night. If I could somehow turn my R into a manual, I think I would keep it forever..literally the perfect car for me. Do you know of any shops that do this? Any idea what something like that might cost? Would be willing to shell out serious bucks for something like this...
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True story:
Carjacking attempt foiled by pesky manual transmission - Autoblog
Also, I can't imagine that I would ever part with this vehicle, but if this manual is very rare in the US, would that increase it's value in the long run for collectors, etc?
BTW, the only reason I am sort of obsessed with conversation about the MT is this simple fact:
As much as I think the F-Type is the most beautiful car in the world, I wouldn't be driving one if it was an automatic. Not even a question. I wonder what I would have ended up in?
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On the biggest German website of new and second hand cars the following is listed for sale: (My search criteria: F Type S coupe model age 2015/2016)
-cars for sale with AT= +-250pcs
-cars for sale with MT= +-3pcs
I think that says it all. I simply think that the type of F buyer isn't into MT... MT's are a dying breed even for brands like Porsche... MUCH more sales in AT's...
So I don't think having a MT will be better for it's resale value... there simply isn't enough interest in MT's. Maybe if you sell the car in 25 years you will get a little better price compared to AT but I am not buying for collection purpose.
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As much as I think the F-Type is the most beautiful car in the world, I wouldn't be driving one if it was an automatic. Not even a question. I wonder what I would have ended up in?