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Yup, i'll do that. Actually i called a priest tomorrow to say a prayer and he will throw in some incense. Will recirculate it and see what happens. Not kidding, i really think i'm dealing with Christine here (if you read the book).
Yup, i'll do that. Actually i called a priest tomorrow to say a prayer and he will throw in some incense. Will recirculate it and see what happens. Not kidding, i really think i'm dealing with Christine here (if you read the book).
I get it. I get it, Trilapis. Sometimes it takes a while. Also, sometimes I think I'm the only one who's seen that movie. Great flick. In 1960-64 my older brother had a gold 1957 Plymouth Fury Convertible. Gold and white 'naugahyde' seats. His dream car from Day 1.
In 50 years I've had more than one haunted car, Trilapis. And some other haunted things. Right now we have a haunted boat. How those old engines ever got us 40 miles from Canada to the U.S. to way beyond reason. And when I tuned them up they ran worse for three years. Then after they were rebuilt to perfection they ran even worse for a year. Dave at Michigan Machine said the problem was detonation, not cooling. Problem solved.
Hi All, i'm afraid the updates are not that satisfying...brought in the 7000 mg ozone machine, finally correctly set up recirculation and yesterday we performed 3 1-hour sessions, followed by 30 minutes of leaving the ozone work and turn into oxygen. We did two on high heat and one on AC. I must say it smells the same, if not stronger, which leaves me to believe a few things:
the main problem is clearly in the ventilation system. Not that there are some parts that maybe need changing (for example we performed the sessions in the sun and that i think heated the roof lining and maybe that is one cause of the smell). But leaving the car for one hour with ventilation in full speed brought more spores from somewhere.
I also tend to believe that the roof lining should be changed. Heats activates those *******s i guess, the car stayed in the sun for several hours and it stank worse than before.
now, for next steps, i am thinking as follows:
should we try even longer sessions? Max time for the apparatus settings is 120 mins. I'm thinking to go all in and perform 3-4 sessions like this.
one other idea i have is to try to isolate the interior from the ventilation system, by closing it and closing the ducts. I would put an extra fan inside together with the ozone machine and perform a session like this. To see if at least in interior it will make a difference.
also i have spoken with the guy that sold me the ozone machine and he had a cool idea - he said that maybe the recirculation does not close the system shut (as this car does not have a pollen filter) so there is still no conditions for ozone to form. So he was mentioning to put the car into a small garage, seal off the ventilation, put the car inside with doors open and start the system like this. Basically the whole car will get "immersed" into ozone, so it will penetrate all nooks and crannies . Would that damage the tires?
This is the current situation...not giving up but i must say i was waiting for a miracle and it didn't happen yet...anything i did wrong?
thank you
I wish I had seen this post sooner. I own an auto detailing shop in Silicon Valley and seem to be the local specialist in odor removal.
First when we do odor removal we locate the source, you have R & R'd everything under the sun to no avail. Unfortunately not knowing the exact smell, I would have zeroed in on the HVAC system. 90% of the people do not shut off the A/C and run the vent for a few minutes before shutting the car off. This subjects the HVAC system to mold and mildew, a very common problem we see. I run vent for about 1/2 mile from my destination before I shut the car down.
Onto a potential solution.
Go to your local auto parts store and purchase a product called Ozium, 2 containers.
Turn on ACC, and the fan running at a low speed on "Vent/Floor" Open the hood, and spray the Ozium into the vents under the hood, be generous. Open the drivers side door, if you smell a sweet aroma, it means the Ozium has gotten into the HVAC system. Turn off the ACC and let it sit. Spray more Ozium into the vents.
Do this 3-4 times over a 4 hour period. The goal is let the Ozium sit in the HVAC system and kill the bacteria causing the problem. Shutting off the system allows that to happen.
Then setup your ozone machine on a towel, on the console with the bulb facing the front. Turn it on, with the windows closed and let it run overnight and even into the next day.
I can tell you your short term 3 hours session simply won't work in this situation. It is good for clearing a room, but not for dealing with an aroma as you have described.
Yes ozone deteriorates rubber, but it takes some pretty serious exposure for that to happen, and that is running for 3+ days straight
Shut it off, open the doors, let the car air out for several hours.
Close everything up and put it in the sun to bake.
Let it set for a couple of hours
Stick your head in and see if you still smell anything.
If you still have an aroma, open the windows and let the interior air out.
Repeat the above process 24 hours later.
I had to do this 3 times, for what we affectionately call the "Meat Wagon", customer forgot 3 very large steaks in 90+ degree heat in the back of the SUV for three weeks while they, traveled Europe. We could smell the rancid meat aroma coming up our driveway.
The above technique solved the issue
I wish I had seen this post sooner. I own an auto detailing shop in Silicon Valley and seem to be the local specialist in odor removal.
First when we do odor removal we locate the source, you have R & R'd everything under the sun to no avail. Unfortunately not knowing the exact smell, I would have zeroed in on the HVAC system. 90% of the people do not shut off the A/C and run the vent for a few minutes before shutting the car off. This
subjects the HVAC system to mold and mildew, a very common problem we see. I run vent for about 1/2 mile from my destination before I shut the car down.
Onto a potential solution.
Go to your local auto parts store and purchase a product called Ozium, 2 containers.
Turn on ACC, and the fan running at a low speed on "Vent/Floor" Open the hood, and spray the Ozium into the vents under the hood, be generous. Open the drivers side door, if you smell a sweet aroma, it means the Ozium has gotten into the HVAC system. Turn off the ACC and let it sit. Spray more Ozium into the vents.
Do this 3-4 times over a 4 hour period. The goal is let the Ozium sit in the HVAC system and kill the bacteria causing the problem. Shutting off the system allows that to happen.
Then setup your ozone machine on a towel, on the console with the bulb facing the front. Turn it on, with the windows closed and let it run overnight and even into the next day.
I can tell you your short term 3 hours session simply won't work in this situation. It is good for clearing a room, but not for dealing with an aroma as you have described.
Yes ozone deteriorates rubber, but it takes some pretty serious exposure for that to happen, and that is running for 3+ days straight
Shut it off, open the doors, let the car air out for several hours.
Close everything up and put it in the sun to bake.
Let it set for a couple of hours
Stick your head in and see if you still smell anything.
If you still have an aroma, open the windows and let the interior air out.
Repeat the above process 24 hours later.
I had to do this 3 times, for what we affectionately call the "Meat Wagon", customer forgot 3 very large steaks in 90+ degree heat in the back of the SUV for three weeks while they, traveled Europe. We could smell the rancid meat aroma coming up our driveway.
The above technique solved the issue
Wow, that looks like an ozone exorcist practice and it sounds this is what i need! A couple of questions if i may:
When performing the ozone for the night, i'd do it with the engine and ventilation off, is that correct? Then, how will ozone form? Won't it escape through the vent system? Or being the fact that it will be performed for such a long time it will create the necessary "pillow" of gas that disinfects?
So you don't think is necessary to create a bubble of plastic wrap to cocoon the car in?
My ozone machine has a timer that can be set to max 2 hours. So i would need somebody to enter the car every two hours (holding the breath of course) to restart the machine. I guess that won't be a problem, right?
i hope i'll be able to source Ozium in Romania. I might have found it on amazon Germany.
Wow, that looks like an ozone exorcist practice and it sounds this is what i need! A couple of questions if i may:
When performing the ozone for the night, i'd do it with the engine and ventilation off, is that correct? Then, how will ozone form? Won't it escape through the vent system? Or being the fact that it will be performed for such a long time it will create the necessary "pillow" of gas that disinfects?
So you don't think is necessary to create a bubble of plastic wrap to cocoon the car in?
My ozone machine has a timer that can be set to max 2 hours. So i would need somebody to enter the car every two hours (holding the breath of course) to restart the machine. I guess that won't be a problem, right?
i hope i'll be able to source Ozium in Romania. I might have found it on amazon Germany.
thank you. I am starting to see the light
OK< missed the Romania location
Yes engine off, with the system left on Vent, this way they remain open and the ozone can creep into the HVAC system.
Ozone is not that dangerous that a minute or two of exposure is not a big deal.
Look at the Ozium specifications and see if you can find something similar in Romania. It will remove odors and smoke from a ballroom. I have to believe you have something like it.
OK< missed the Romania location
Yes engine off, with the system left on Vent, this way they remain open and the ozone can creep into the HVAC system.
Ozone is not that dangerous that a minute or two of exposure is not a big deal.
Look at the Ozium specifications and see if you can find something similar in Romania. It will remove odors and smoke from a ballroom. I have to believe you have something like it.
I found and ordered Ozium on Amazon Germany. I also had a thorough discussion with the guy that has cleaned the vent system when the dash was down. The only thing that has a question is that plenum filtration element, which he cleaned (it was a disaster) but then he put back on, as there are no substitutes for it. I will open and check it, maybe find an aftermarket solution to replace it. And when the Ozium arrives i'll perform the recipe you gave me.
thank you so much i really hope this time i will pull it through.
Take a look at the third post in this thread.... There's a PDF with detailed instructions to remove a common cause of musty mold smell.
You may have a severe case.
Out of the blue I have two valid solutions. Thanks guys! We'll start with the first one, reccomended by Grzldvt and see what we come up with. Together with checking the plenum. And then we see what happens.
didn't update this for a while. Still waiting for the Ozium to arrive and perform that dual ventilation cleaning and day-long ozone treatment reccomended above. Thank you and keep your fingers crossed please.
As waiting for the Ozium that for whatever reason takes a month to travel from the US to Eastern Europe, i am just starting the car now and then and just walk around it, as i am tired of having my clothes stinking after each drive. there were some heavy rains these days and i just opened the hood, trying to find maybe a source for the contamination. i discovered that the two compartiments that are placed in the corners of the engine compartment, right and left, are one third full of water. i know that last year the mechanics found them full of water and said that there are some clogged drainage that they freed. seems they didn't and i think this water also is the perfect medium for the spores to grow and feed. any ideas how these should be cleaned? for sure there's some place that lets water leak inside and there's the source. i just hope i won't be forced to take down the dash for the third time...
thanks. i'm attaching some pictures. not sure you can see the water but it was PLENTY.
Trilapis,
There is a drain on each end of the scuttle, and there should be a hose connected to each of these to pipe the water away.
The hoses have a habit of coming off, so water just drains into the compartments. Normally they're held in place by an attached rubber strap that hooks over a tang on the hinge mechanism bracket. Certainly, on the picture you've posted it doesn't appear to be in place on the driver's side:
The drains for these compartments are difficult to see and clog up easily, but you should be able to clear them with a piece of stiff wire.
I'd certainly get at all the connectors in there and give them a clean and spray with a water repellent electrical spray.
HTH,
Mike
This is the best pic. I could find showing the drain hose and its rubber retainer (RHS):
Last edited by michaelh; 05-27-2017 at 10:45 AM.
Reason: added extra pic
It's definitely known to happen. There is supposed to be a drain hole at the bottom that can clog with debris (like leaves, etc). This could be cleaned up with a coat hanger wire or something like that.
On the other hand, if the grey stuff we see is THE wold that is also present in other parts of the car, here a readily available sample! Check what can clean this the best.
Trilapis,
There is a drain on each end of the scuttle, and there should be a hose connected to each of these to pipe the water away.
The hoses have a habit of coming off, so water just drains into the compartments. Normally they're held in place by an attached rubber strap that hooks over a tang on the hinge mechanism bracket. Certainly, on the picture you've posted it doesn't appear to be in place on the driver's side:
The drains for these compartments are difficult to see and clog up easily, but you should be able to clear them with a piece of stiff wire.
I'd certainly get at all the connectors in there and give them a clean and spray with a water repellent electrical spray.
HTH,
Mike
so i managed to empty the driver side compartment using my hand - strangely enough, the pipe was conmected to the drain, so water must have entered from somewhere else. I found a drain at the bottom of the compartment, that was clogged.
on the other side though, i couldn't sink my hand deep enough. I'll try with a coat hanger.
It's definitely known to happen. There is supposed to be a drain hole at the bottom that can clog with debris (like leaves, etc). This could be cleaned up with a coat hanger wire or something like that.
On the other hand, if the grey stuff we see is THE wold that is also present in other parts of the car, here a readily available sample! Check what can clean this the best.
i think it's more like dust that was wet and then dried...not sure it's mold. But i'll take some more pics and post them here
i think it's more like dust that was wet and then dried...not sure it's mold. But i'll take some more pics and post them here
So i managed to unclog and drain both compartments (thank you for the coat hanger tip!), fixed both draining pipes well. Not patiently (not!) waiting for the Ozium and the new plenum filter to perform the exorcisation.
Sorry to have been away all this time. Lots of work and believe it or not, still waiting for the #$^$@(^% Ozium. The first shipment was damaged in transport, the second one is somewhere in transit, luckily i have a friend coming from US and i asked her to bring a 6 pack. Seems that this car does not want to be cleaned. But i am not giving up!
I also asked a dermatologist regarding which product to use in killing the inside bacteria. he suggested a rather extreme solution, that i'll keep as last but really last resort. He told be to obtain some formaldehyde (which i did), soak a textile cloth and leave it the car in a small recipient to evaporate. He said it's possible that the after smell will remain? What do you guys think? Will the Jaguar smell like a dead guy? ))
Hope the ozium/ozone process to solve it but not patient and looking for all kinds of B-plans for this...
Hey Jip, if all this pulls through, you and all the great men with great advice deserve a XK8 load of beers! Just need to figure out a way to send them to you all. And hope that it will be the case.
05-05-2017, 11:43 PM
I get it. I get it, Trilapis. Sometimes it takes a while. Also, sometimes I think I'm the only one who's seen that movie. Great flick. In 1960-64 my older brother had a gold 1957 Plymouth Fury Convertible. Gold and white 'naugahyde' seats. His dream car from Day 1.
And hope that it will be the case.