Engine Breaking, and brake (and other parts) wear?
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Engine Breaking, and brake (and other parts) wear?
So I engine break.
https://jalopnik.com/actually-engine...ine-1818491096
Always have. We can have that discussion, at length. But it's generally assumed to be A-ok.
So whatever I might be doing to the engine, I am saving in brakes.
But I just did 32,000 mile service, and they said the brakes were fine.
So, I was wondering at what point you start replacing stuff on this car. Coming from a "change oil every 3000 miles on your 20 year old Jeep", this thing is like a spaceship. So I don't understand modern car parts at all....
Is there a list of typical / average wear and replacement of different parts on this car, specifically the brakes?
And.... do you engine brake? =)
https://jalopnik.com/actually-engine...ine-1818491096
Always have. We can have that discussion, at length. But it's generally assumed to be A-ok.
So whatever I might be doing to the engine, I am saving in brakes.
But I just did 32,000 mile service, and they said the brakes were fine.
So, I was wondering at what point you start replacing stuff on this car. Coming from a "change oil every 3000 miles on your 20 year old Jeep", this thing is like a spaceship. So I don't understand modern car parts at all....
Is there a list of typical / average wear and replacement of different parts on this car, specifically the brakes?
And.... do you engine brake? =)
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jbajor (10-11-2017)
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Personally I'd rather wear out the brakes a little bit more often, and save the engine and transmission.
^ I'm talking about when driving on public roads. Of course I'll engine brake for fun - but it's not to save my brakes.
On the other hand, if I feel like I have overworked the brakes on a vehicle, I'd engine brake for safety, to give them some help, etc.
^ I'm talking about when driving on public roads. Of course I'll engine brake for fun - but it's not to save my brakes.
On the other hand, if I feel like I have overworked the brakes on a vehicle, I'd engine brake for safety, to give them some help, etc.
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I was shocked last month when I replaced tires, and asked the guy to check the pads (he had already put the front wheels back on, so only checked the rears.) He estimated that I hat 80% left, and I have 39,000 miles on the car including two track days. Generally, I don't drive aggressively.
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I've always considered engine braking dropping a gear (or two) to slow down as opposed to coasting along in gear at moderate RPM. Coasting along I always considered "driving" as you can't only accelerate or maintain a constant speed while in gear. Of course much depends on how aggressively you're slowing / dropping gears and how good you are at rev matching. In general, brake pads are cheap, engines are expensive.
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I admit I just engine brake for fun, pops and crackles, etc. I am not thinking of saving the pads, but the more I read about it, people would be hard pressed to truly prove that engine braking is wearing/tearing more than reversing or normal driving. Maybe, maybe not.
BUT... as cool as that chute is, I've ALWAYS WANTED TO FIND THESE MISSILES
BUT... as cool as that chute is, I've ALWAYS WANTED TO FIND THESE MISSILES
Last edited by Uncle Fishbits; 10-12-2017 at 12:44 PM.
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My first racing was on a two-stroke motorcycle, and it's pretty clear in that case: The engine is for accelerating and the brakes are for decelerating.
That said, I do use engine braking in the car but in a limited way. The front wheels are more effective for braking because of weight transfer, and with RWD, there's only so much the engine will do.
In other words, I paid for the big brakes to do big braking.
That said, I do use engine braking in the car but in a limited way. The front wheels are more effective for braking because of weight transfer, and with RWD, there's only so much the engine will do.
In other words, I paid for the big brakes to do big braking.
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My 2c.
Don’t engine brake with an AT (excessive wear).Do anything you want with an MT, but double clutch down (save the syncros) if you are engine braking and never coast in neutral (safety issue). When I am driving civilized I hardly ever use the brakes except to come to a full stop. When I’m on it, I’m heavy on the throttle and even heavier on the brakes. It’s not rocket science...the less time you spend on the brakes and the more time you spend on full throttle, the faster you go. Engine braking is way too slow under those circumstances.
Don’t engine brake with an AT (excessive wear).Do anything you want with an MT, but double clutch down (save the syncros) if you are engine braking and never coast in neutral (safety issue). When I am driving civilized I hardly ever use the brakes except to come to a full stop. When I’m on it, I’m heavy on the throttle and even heavier on the brakes. It’s not rocket science...the less time you spend on the brakes and the more time you spend on full throttle, the faster you go. Engine braking is way too slow under those circumstances.
Last edited by Unhingd; 10-11-2017 at 10:33 PM.
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Early days of driving in a spirited way I was advised that brake pads and disks were maintenance items....and inexpensive in the cosmic scale of things.....motors and trannys on the other hand, not so much.
With the F type...I enjoy letting the inner age 11 in me enjoy the snap crackle and pop....but no 7 th gear to 3 Rd gear as I approach the rt hander at the end of the straight.
Perhaps not intended but I enjoyed the " engine breaking " in the op.
With the F type...I enjoy letting the inner age 11 in me enjoy the snap crackle and pop....but no 7 th gear to 3 Rd gear as I approach the rt hander at the end of the straight.
Perhaps not intended but I enjoyed the " engine breaking " in the op.
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Early days of driving in a spirited way I was advised that brake pads and disks were maintenance items....and inexpensive in the cosmic scale of things.....motors and trannys on the other hand, not so much.
With the F type...I enjoy letting the inner age 11 in me enjoy the snap crackle and pop....but no 7 th gear to 3 Rd gear as I approach the rt hander at the end of the straight.
Perhaps not intended but I enjoyed the " engine breaking " in the op.
With the F type...I enjoy letting the inner age 11 in me enjoy the snap crackle and pop....but no 7 th gear to 3 Rd gear as I approach the rt hander at the end of the straight.
Perhaps not intended but I enjoyed the " engine breaking " in the op.
& I should have paid for the bigger brakes. After the fact they're like $12K to install. Boo. I am a manual, but I should prolly get that "grand scheme" philosophy. Use the easy to replace items.
But the question is really born from how long the brake pads last. Like... it's crazy to me.
80% left and 39K? WILD
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Well, it may be that - dusting aside - the pads last well.
Since you now have brakes that work better than my Father’s ‘64 Falcon, I think it’s okay to use them, rather than the column mounted pre-selector to slow the car down.
Brakes continue to be The Thing for stopping, obviously...
But seriously? He used the transmission to get the speed below 40 on an Off Ramp, as that way he could get it stopped using the brakes. Apparently, if he tried using the brakes from Interstate speeds, the pedal went to the floor while he was still travelling at over 45. Something to think about if buying a Classic...
Since you now have brakes that work better than my Father’s ‘64 Falcon, I think it’s okay to use them, rather than the column mounted pre-selector to slow the car down.
Brakes continue to be The Thing for stopping, obviously...
But seriously? He used the transmission to get the speed below 40 on an Off Ramp, as that way he could get it stopped using the brakes. Apparently, if he tried using the brakes from Interstate speeds, the pedal went to the floor while he was still travelling at over 45. Something to think about if buying a Classic...
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Since you now have brakes that work better than my Father’s ‘64 Falcon
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He used the transmission to get the speed below 40 on an Off Ramp, as that way he could get it stopped using the brakes. Apparently, if he tried using the brakes from Interstate speeds, the pedal went to the floor while he was still travelling at over 45.
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He used the transmission to get the speed below 40 on an Off Ramp, as that way he could get it stopped using the brakes. Apparently, if he tried using the brakes from Interstate speeds, the pedal went to the floor while he was still travelling at over 45.
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Points, definitely, and I'll say even distributors of the electronic type. I switched from the four-tube manometer to dial gauges for portability (bring to the track) but I haven't used that in ten years. It's still useful for the motorcycles that are fuel injected but with individual throttle bodies.
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There's a writer for Keith Martin's Sports Car Market, however, who just last month had an opinion:
"Stirling Moss drove his Mercedes Benz 300SLR for a little over 10 hours at an average speed of 98 miles an hour en route to his legendary victory in the 1955 Mille Miglia. If drum brakes were good enough for him, why can't we use them today?"
I figure because we made better ones?lol But I do think he's talking about vintage cars *not* being retrofitted.
But you have got to love threshold braking!
"Stirling Moss drove his Mercedes Benz 300SLR for a little over 10 hours at an average speed of 98 miles an hour en route to his legendary victory in the 1955 Mille Miglia. If drum brakes were good enough for him, why can't we use them today?"
I figure because we made better ones?lol But I do think he's talking about vintage cars *not* being retrofitted.
But you have got to love threshold braking!
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