Past 4000 RPM Breakup
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Past 4000 RPM Breakup
Everything is 100% perfect until you pull out and accelerate hard. Once it revs past 4000 RPM, its like a rev limiter kicks in and then it surges, turns on trans light (P1775) and sometimes engine light. Goes in limp home mode. I ordered a crankshaft position sensor (oem). Ideas? Shut the car off, clear code and all is perfect until you rev past 4000 RPM while driving under a load. Revving in park causes not problem.
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Don B (04-03-2018)
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Thanks for throwing some fresh meat in the cage ,
Fuel Filter ? to start .
But easier to swap the fuel pump relay as it my be compromised on the internal power contacts .
The short vacuum line behind the Fuel Pressure Regulator ( next to the fuel rail ) that increases fuel pressure so it won't underfuel at the higher RPMs .
Do you have the supercharged engine ?
Fuel Filter ? to start .
But easier to swap the fuel pump relay as it my be compromised on the internal power contacts .
The short vacuum line behind the Fuel Pressure Regulator ( next to the fuel rail ) that increases fuel pressure so it won't underfuel at the higher RPMs .
Do you have the supercharged engine ?
Last edited by Lady Penelope; 04-03-2018 at 07:25 PM.
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Hi Carp,
Welcome to the Jaguar Forums! It's great to have you with us.
I am attaching the Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) Summaries manual below.
DTC P1775 indicates a possible transmission problem and instructs us to check for any stored Transmission Control Module (TCM) DTCs. Since you haven't noted any other TCM DTCs, have you checked the level and condition of the fluid in your transmission? To check the level properly, drive the car at speed for 15 minutes or more to get the fluid hot. Park on a level surface, and with the hand brake set and your foot on the brake pedal, move the gearshift lever to Reverse for 3 seconds, then through all the other gear positions pausing for at least 3 seconds. Move the lever back to Park and check the fluid level. It should be exactly at the HOT mark on the dipstick. Fluid that is low or overfull, or dark and burned can lead to transmission performance problems.
Cheers,
Don
Welcome to the Jaguar Forums! It's great to have you with us.
I am attaching the Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) Summaries manual below.
DTC P1775 indicates a possible transmission problem and instructs us to check for any stored Transmission Control Module (TCM) DTCs. Since you haven't noted any other TCM DTCs, have you checked the level and condition of the fluid in your transmission? To check the level properly, drive the car at speed for 15 minutes or more to get the fluid hot. Park on a level surface, and with the hand brake set and your foot on the brake pedal, move the gearshift lever to Reverse for 3 seconds, then through all the other gear positions pausing for at least 3 seconds. Move the lever back to Park and check the fluid level. It should be exactly at the HOT mark on the dipstick. Fluid that is low or overfull, or dark and burned can lead to transmission performance problems.
Cheers,
Don
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93SB (04-06-2018)
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Hi Carp,
Welcome to the Jaguar Forums! It's great to have you with us.
I am attaching the Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) Summaries manual below.
DTC P1775 indicates a possible transmission problem and instructs us to check for any stored Transmission Control Module (TCM) DTCs. Since you haven't noted any other TCM DTCs, have you checked the level and condition of the fluid in your transmission? To check the level properly, drive the car at speed for 15 minutes or more to get the fluid hot. Park on a level surface, and with the hand brake set and your foot on the brake pedal, move the gearshift lever to Reverse for 3 seconds, then through all the other gear positions pausing for at least 3 seconds. Move the lever back to Park and check the fluid level. It should be exactly at the HOT mark on the dipstick. Fluid that is low or overfull, or dark and burned can lead to transmission performance problems.
Cheers,
Don
Welcome to the Jaguar Forums! It's great to have you with us.
I am attaching the Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) Summaries manual below.
DTC P1775 indicates a possible transmission problem and instructs us to check for any stored Transmission Control Module (TCM) DTCs. Since you haven't noted any other TCM DTCs, have you checked the level and condition of the fluid in your transmission? To check the level properly, drive the car at speed for 15 minutes or more to get the fluid hot. Park on a level surface, and with the hand brake set and your foot on the brake pedal, move the gearshift lever to Reverse for 3 seconds, then through all the other gear positions pausing for at least 3 seconds. Move the lever back to Park and check the fluid level. It should be exactly at the HOT mark on the dipstick. Fluid that is low or overfull, or dark and burned can lead to transmission performance problems.
Cheers,
Don
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Thanks for throwing some fresh meat in the cage ,
Fuel Filter ? to start .
But easier to swap the fuel pump relay as it my be compromised on the internal power contacts .
The short vacuum line behind the Fuel Pressure Regulator ( next to the fuel rail ) that increases fuel pressure so it won't underfuel at the higher RPMs .
Do you have the supercharged engine ?
Fuel Filter ? to start .
But easier to swap the fuel pump relay as it my be compromised on the internal power contacts .
The short vacuum line behind the Fuel Pressure Regulator ( next to the fuel rail ) that increases fuel pressure so it won't underfuel at the higher RPMs .
Do you have the supercharged engine ?
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Unloaded throttle up past 4000 vs. 4000 loaded points in the direction of fuel starvation or constricted strength of spark . The spark air gap resistance in the piston cylinder increases with air pressure in a mechanically resistive high load . All coils get there power though 1 wire ( White / Pink in position 4 ) that goes through the Papa Indy 1 connector commonly corroded that sits under the wiper fluid fill cap .
Oil in the coil well would fail the spark positions at different times and not all at once .
Suggest inspect and clean that connector and the one next to it . If you need part source for the connector I have a source and cheap , need both sides . As a temporary fix and troubleshooting aid you can jumper around that connector or just pull power from the B + terminal post from the RH engine fuse box . The fuse for the coils is fuse # 12 / 10 amp RH engine fuse box and there is a connector on the very bottom of the fuse box as you unbolt it .
I could be wrong , my mom said I need to go to bed now
Oil in the coil well would fail the spark positions at different times and not all at once .
Suggest inspect and clean that connector and the one next to it . If you need part source for the connector I have a source and cheap , need both sides . As a temporary fix and troubleshooting aid you can jumper around that connector or just pull power from the B + terminal post from the RH engine fuse box . The fuse for the coils is fuse # 12 / 10 amp RH engine fuse box and there is a connector on the very bottom of the fuse box as you unbolt it .
I could be wrong , my mom said I need to go to bed now
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Unloaded throttle up past 4000 vs. 4000 loaded points in the direction of fuel starvation or constricted strength of spark . The air gap resistance in the piston cylinder increases in a high load . All coils get there power though 1 wire ( White / Pink in position 4 ) that goes through the Papa Indy 1 connector commonly corroded that sits under the wiper fluid fill cap .
Oil in the coil well would fail the spark positions at different times and not all at once .
Suggest inspect and clean that connector and the one next to it . If you need part source for the connector I have a source and cheap , need both sides . As a temporary fix and troubleshooting aid you can jumper around that connector or just pull power from the B + terminal post from the RH engine fuse box . The fuse for the coils is fuse # 12 / 10 amp RH engine fuse box and there is a connector on the very bottom of the fuse box as you unbolt it .
Oil in the coil well would fail the spark positions at different times and not all at once .
Suggest inspect and clean that connector and the one next to it . If you need part source for the connector I have a source and cheap , need both sides . As a temporary fix and troubleshooting aid you can jumper around that connector or just pull power from the B + terminal post from the RH engine fuse box . The fuse for the coils is fuse # 12 / 10 amp RH engine fuse box and there is a connector on the very bottom of the fuse box as you unbolt it .
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A spare CKPS sensor does't hurt and is a first try on alot of things as it controls alot and partially fails without showing a fault code . Have you swapped fuel pump relays ? The jumping of power to that wire will be hot at all times so arcing and battery drain awareness needed .
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The transmission has no damage. I'm not sitting there and pegging it while in park. In fact, I need to correct my previous statement because it never reached 4000 rpm in park. It felt wrong to do that.
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This my not have a thing to do with it, but as I haven't heard anyone say much about the spark plugs. I will add this. I had a 750 Honda motorcycle, I got up and running after a long winters nap. I cleaned the fuel tank, carbs, checked the plugs, etc. All was good. Started first try, synchronized the carbs,etc. Put a leg over it, and accelerated up the street. It ran great till about 4500Rpm, then fell on it's face, sputtering and would not accelerate beyond 4500??? WTF. I rechecked everything, all was good, I checked the coils, the electronic ignition, resynchronized the carbs. Was told it ran great with no issues before it was put away for the winter??? After a couple weeks of checking and rechecking, I was asking questions of several friends, and one asked if it had platinum plugs in it. I said yeah it does, but what the he,double hockey sticks has that got to do with it??? He said change them out for standard plugs??? I thought he was nuts. But by now I was so frustrated I decided what the heck. I bought a set of "standard" NGK plugs screwed them in, and the thing liked to sacred me, it never missed spit sputtered or anything. It just ran! Like I said don't have a clue if this could be your problem or not Just thought it might help.
Jack
Jack
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This my not have a thing to do with it, but as I haven't heard anyone say much about the spark plugs. I will add this. I had a 750 Honda motorcycle, I got up and running after a long winters nap. I cleaned the fuel tank, carbs, checked the plugs, etc. All was good. Started first try, synchronized the carbs,etc. Put a leg over it, and accelerated up the street. It ran great till about 4500Rpm, then fell on it's face, sputtering and would not accelerate beyond 4500??? WTF. I rechecked everything, all was good, I checked the coils, the electronic ignition, resynchronized the carbs. Was told it ran great with no issues before it was put away for the winter??? After a couple weeks of checking and rechecking, I was asking questions of several friends, and one asked if it had platinum plugs in it. I said yeah it does, but what the he,double hockey sticks has that got to do with it??? He said change them out for standard plugs??? I thought he was nuts. But by now I was so frustrated I decided what the heck. I bought a set of "standard" NGK plugs screwed them in, and the thing liked to sacred me, it never missed spit sputtered or anything. It just ran! Like I said don't have a clue if this could be your problem or not Just thought it might help.
Jack
Jack
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The recommended plug for the X300 is linked below and is the standard cheap Champion RC12YC : Not the exotics as the platinum's are higher resistance as I was told and the iridium's are ( ? )
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...6-x300-124062/
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...6-x300-124062/
Last edited by Lady Penelope; 04-04-2018 at 10:23 PM.
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Firstly, like Aholbro1, I recollect a service bulletin regarding damage to the transmission from revving beyond 2000 in park. Can you say how you can be sure the transmission has no damage?
Secondly, revving beyond 4000rpm significantly increases the requirement for fuel. If your filter is needing changed, or your pump isnt in the first flush of youth, it may simply be that you are not getting sufficient fuel flow. As has been mentioned, the supercharged engine has a secondary fuel pump to address this phenomenon.
If you are suffering from fuel starvation, and the engine misfires, it wouldnt be too surprising to see assorted engine and transmission codes being thrown
Secondly, revving beyond 4000rpm significantly increases the requirement for fuel. If your filter is needing changed, or your pump isnt in the first flush of youth, it may simply be that you are not getting sufficient fuel flow. As has been mentioned, the supercharged engine has a secondary fuel pump to address this phenomenon.
If you are suffering from fuel starvation, and the engine misfires, it wouldnt be too surprising to see assorted engine and transmission codes being thrown
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