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Old 08-04-2024 | 05:36 PM
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Default F/U x2 on coolant leak. Now very slow leak- likely culprit?

This is my 3rd post on the subject, and I want to thank everyone who has helped to thus far. I have a 2013 XJL 5.0. I has a coolant leak and was told I needed to replace the water pump. I wanted to do it myself. After reassembly, it couldn't hold pressure, and water quickly leaked from the back of the water pump. Initial post is here:
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/xj-x351-53/f-u-water-pump-removal-flush-shows-leak-plan-attack-282399/

I took everyone's advice and tried again. I believe i made 2 errors. First, i did not set the aluminum pipe (replacing the plastic part) behind the water pump correctly, as I did not turn it to the right to secure it. Furthermore, I did not place the o-rings correctly as instructed. I also used Vaseline to help replace the hoses- this made a huge difference in moving them about. I also got a torque wrench. When I took the gaskets out they were flattened but complete.

This time i made sure the o-rings were correct and the pipe correctly placed. I threaded the gaskets through the bolts before putting it in place- actually I connected the hose first as well as otherwise it is a pain to get that hose in place. I made sure all the bolts aligned and hand tightened and it felt correctly seated. I then used the torque wrench to 12.0 N/m. I put back the belt and hoses. I plugged the radiator with the cap.

This time I pressure tested the system with air, and was able to build pressure. however, it could not maintain pressure. I set pressure to 15 psi... but in 30 min it was 14 and 1 hr later it was 12 or 13.

This seems like a pretty slow leak. My question is- what is the likely culprit? How can I find where the leak is? is it possible or likely that the gaskets are leaking from wear of the first install?

Thanks!
 
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Old 08-04-2024 | 07:07 PM
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Default Looks like I found the culprit... a hose I didn't even touch.

I filled the system and it didn't leak. Then I pressurized the system and saw this leak on a hose I didn't even touch!

The hose clamp is not all the way on!

How do I remove this clamp type? Without breaking it?
 
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Old 08-04-2024 | 08:39 PM
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Ok, I figured out this was a Norma Cobra clamp. I was able to remove it, re-seat the hose, then reattach the main radiator hose. I put 16psi of pressure of air and it held 30 min.

I think I'm good to go to put together the air intake and air filters, then run the engine.
 
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Old 08-05-2024 | 11:30 AM
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Thanks for that as I did not know those factory crimp clamps could be taken off and on!
Does it take a special set of pliers?
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Old 08-05-2024 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by clubairth1
Thanks for that as I did not know those factory crimp clamps could be taken off and on!
Does it take a special set of pliers?
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No- but there is a special technique. I found it on another forum. Basically, there are "inner" "ears" and outer ones. If you clamp down on the outer ears, the thing will pop open. It took me several tries with different sets of pliers to get a proper angle. Eventually it did pop open. There is a special tool for it that makes it easier, but I didn't have the time to order it. To close, you repeat the exercise, but press together only the inner ears. It does not take a lot of pressure, and I did this with... surgical clamps.
 
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Old 08-05-2024 | 12:56 PM
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OK thanks as I kind of see what you mean? I have searched and it seems those pliers are only sold in Au.?
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Old 08-05-2024 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by clubairth1
OK thanks as I kind of see what you mean? I have searched and it seems those pliers are only sold in Au.?
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There are these types of hose clamp pliers/crimpers and ones like them:
More Information for S.U.R.&R. CP360 (rockauto.com)

Hoses/Lines & Clamps > Tool > Hose Clamp Pliers | RockAuto
 
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Old 08-05-2024 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by tonyman121
.. and I did this with... surgical clamps.
Don´t want to know why you have surgical clamps in your garage or what happens in your basement.
 
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Old 08-05-2024 | 01:49 PM
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Hey man, Jaguars and their repairs are expensive. Sometimes you just need to sell a kidney or two.
 
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Old 08-06-2024 | 08:24 AM
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Thanks again 12jagmark!

I have many pliers and this set seems to be what's needed? No markings but it looks like what you linked.



I guess I had them but did not know it!.
They are fairly big so not sure how the access to clamp pictured above would work?
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Old 08-06-2024 | 01:47 PM
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Those are the pliers to clamp the clamp used on hoses, CV boots etc. I have a set of those too, and have used them to install the type of clamp shown above.
The clamps listed above can be removed as described, but I don't think there's a tool for it as I don't think they're not particularly made to be removed.
As Tonyman said, you can do it manually by compressing the band a bit (if possible) to relieve pressure on the clamped part, then lifting the clamped ends apart.
 
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Old 08-07-2024 | 08:22 AM
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Thanks for the tips and I will just plan on doing it manually. Guess I had never looked closely and just assumed is was a one use crimp that you just cut off and replace.
Yes your right the tool I posted is for crimping CV boot bands on.
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Old 08-07-2024 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by clubairth1
Thanks for the tips and I will just plan on doing it manually. Guess I had never looked closely and just assumed is was a one use crimp that you just cut off and replace.
Yes your right the tool I posted is for crimping CV boot bands on.
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I believe it's intended as a one-time use clamp. I like the spring clips best - reusable and better clamping than worm gears.
But unfortunately I haven't found them easy to get. I keep them from hoses I replace & re-use them when I need one.
 
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Old 08-08-2024 | 07:51 AM
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Yes I had to learn that my old favorite the Jubilee clip is a bad design and those factory constant tension clamps are far better.
I had always thought just the opposite and the factories were just using cheap clamps!
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