Gearbox Fault
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Gearbox Fault
It's not my fault I've got a gearbox fault message and it's now my problem. I once heard "Ford had a better idea" but this wasn't one of them. Would love to be able to use the dipstick to check levels, color and smell but that ain't gonna happen. Why? Because of some dipstick who eliminated the much needed dipstick i would find useful right about now. Who's fault is this anyways? Answer is It's MY fault and it's me that has to fix it.
Any ideas? Was running great. No jerks, clunks or other tranny related things. I've only just cracked the 50 miles since I've owned it milestone. My brother had recently put 500 miles on it before it needed new timingchain tensioners. That cost him $5,000 for the new metal ones. Dealerships offered to do the timing chain too since they were inside the engine anyways but my brother passed on that. Think the additional 15k was the issue. Now its my car and I'm poor.
Whats the next thing on my Jaguar calendar? What's my next move to remedy this situation. I'm open for any and everything you can toss in. I would like to have it drivable. I've heard they're really nice cars.
😊 Thank you!!
Richard
Any ideas? Was running great. No jerks, clunks or other tranny related things. I've only just cracked the 50 miles since I've owned it milestone. My brother had recently put 500 miles on it before it needed new timingchain tensioners. That cost him $5,000 for the new metal ones. Dealerships offered to do the timing chain too since they were inside the engine anyways but my brother passed on that. Think the additional 15k was the issue. Now its my car and I'm poor.
Whats the next thing on my Jaguar calendar? What's my next move to remedy this situation. I'm open for any and everything you can toss in. I would like to have it drivable. I've heard they're really nice cars.
😊 Thank you!!
Richard
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Hi Richard and welcome,
If you inform us of the model and year that would help as there are a couple of variations.
If it's a normally aspirated engine it will have a ZF transmission, if it's an XJR supercharged version it will have a Mercedes transmission, the former has a few issues, the latter not so much.
Guessing, but your car sounds normally aspirated with the ZF gearbox, have a search for "Trans Go kit" on here because that would be a good start. They have a tendency to wear the valve block,
this causes pressure spikes and hard shifts because a valve sticks inside it's bore, the kit addresses this.
If you inform us of the model and year that would help as there are a couple of variations.
If it's a normally aspirated engine it will have a ZF transmission, if it's an XJR supercharged version it will have a Mercedes transmission, the former has a few issues, the latter not so much.
Guessing, but your car sounds normally aspirated with the ZF gearbox, have a search for "Trans Go kit" on here because that would be a good start. They have a tendency to wear the valve block,
this causes pressure spikes and hard shifts because a valve sticks inside it's bore, the kit addresses this.
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It's not my fault I've got a gearbox fault message and it's now my problem. I once heard "Ford had a better idea" but this wasn't one of them. Would love to be able to use the dipstick to check levels, color and smell but that ain't gonna happen. Why? Because of some dipstick who eliminated the much needed dipstick i would find useful right about now. Who's fault is this anyways? Answer is It's MY fault and it's me that has to fix it.
Any ideas? Was running great. No jerks, clunks or other tranny related things. I've only just cracked the 50 miles since I've owned it milestone. My brother had recently put 500 miles on it before it needed new timingchain tensioners. That cost him $5,000 for the new metal ones. Dealerships offered to do the timing chain too since they were inside the engine anyways but my brother passed on that. Think the additional 15k was the issue. Now its my car and I'm poor.
Whats the next thing on my Jaguar calendar? What's my next move to remedy this situation. I'm open for any and everything you can toss in. I would like to have it drivable. I've heard they're really nice cars.
😊 Thank you!!
Richard
Any ideas? Was running great. No jerks, clunks or other tranny related things. I've only just cracked the 50 miles since I've owned it milestone. My brother had recently put 500 miles on it before it needed new timingchain tensioners. That cost him $5,000 for the new metal ones. Dealerships offered to do the timing chain too since they were inside the engine anyways but my brother passed on that. Think the additional 15k was the issue. Now its my car and I'm poor.
Whats the next thing on my Jaguar calendar? What's my next move to remedy this situation. I'm open for any and everything you can toss in. I would like to have it drivable. I've heard they're really nice cars.
😊 Thank you!!
Richard
If this is happening, do NOT let someone tell you the trans is bad. The dealership replaced my transmission 4 times (brand new, under warranty ... about $80K to Ford!! Didn't correct the problem)
A quick fix may be to run the shifter through ALL the gears (engine off). This burnishes/ cleans the micro switch contacts.
Last edited by rhemsher; 08-08-2024 at 07:48 PM.
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There is a great deal of information posted on here about the common issues with the ZF transmission. Not uncommon for the A-drum to crack with no symptoms forewarning. You can search the X308 and X100 subforums for terms: "A-drum", "5HP24", "Sonnax", "Kuhl", "Transgo" and find everything you need to know to repair it.
Last edited by pdupler; 08-08-2024 at 08:13 PM.
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Indeed this is why these cars sell so cheap (and tempting like the siren's fable). I wish I could remember who posted it to give credit, but somebody once said "These are really $10,000 used luxury cars. You pay $5,000 to the seller and the other $5,000 to your mechanic." And that post was made about $5,000 worth of inflation ago. They are always, always, always posted for sale at the point that they need thousands of dollars worth of "deferred maintenance" that the current owner doesn't want to spend on it.
There is a great deal of information posted on here about the common issues with the ZF transmission. Not uncommon for the A-drum to crack with no symptoms forewarning. You can search the X308 and X100 subforums for terms: "A-drum", "5HP24", "Sonnax", "Kuhl", "Transgo" and find everything you need to know to repair it.
There is a great deal of information posted on here about the common issues with the ZF transmission. Not uncommon for the A-drum to crack with no symptoms forewarning. You can search the X308 and X100 subforums for terms: "A-drum", "5HP24", "Sonnax", "Kuhl", "Transgo" and find everything you need to know to repair it.
If someone's poor and buying this car that's Short way for bankruptcy in his case 4 cylinder car best choice accord or Camry yes it's not quiet or built like tank but piece of cake to maintain it and the parts cheap last long time
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Indeed this is why these cars sell so cheap (and tempting like the siren's fable). I wish I could remember who posted it to give credit, but somebody once said "These are really $10,000 used luxury cars. You pay $5,000 to the seller and the other $5,000 to your mechanic." And that post was made about $5,000 worth of inflation ago. They are always, always, always posted for sale at the point that they need thousands of dollars worth of "deferred maintenance" that the current owner doesn't want to spend on it.
My rough list so far is
£2.5k on the XJR
£9k to the garage, having done a lot of easier stuff myself
£?? Still to go as the arches are rotten from & rear
I should have got a tidier example to start with.
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I can't find the spot to edit my signature or i would. I put it in the newbie welcome center.
Anyways, a 2000 Jaguar Vanden Plas x308 and just hit 100k. The message disappeared and car has returned to running normally. Thank the lord for that one.
not sure if Restricted Performance and Limp mode are the same thing but 1st time it was a real dog but I was on a steep climb. Last time it just wouldn't shift but had more get up and go. It may have just been me taking in the feeling of omg what did I break on that first run. And now that I'm thinking of it the 1st time when I put it in reverse I swear It felt odd and made a clunk going into gear which it never did before or since for that matter.
I have been doing a lot of cleaning and such on the car at night which may have brought the battery down. Doors open, trunk open etc etc and no real driving.
But yesterday it was fine. today?### light is on again after a few feet. Started okay, reverse smooth and silent, drive fine but I had to stop for traffic just after a few feet. Soon as I gave it gas I thought i heard n felt a little something? Seemed to come from the right front? Then yellow light came on.
Backed into my drive, parked and disconnected battery snd put on charger since you mentioned it. I had been thinking of doing that anyways.
Only other variable is i had just checked codes with a new cheap obd2 mini v2.1 which i now know is junk. Still had my p1647 code and reset it. Same as last time then next start I had this issue come up. I'm returning the scanner and getting a better one. That may be the current issue?
No matter what happens it has to go in for a fluid change. Finding someone to do it is proving to be difficult. I'd do it myself if I had a lift. I can rent one for $35 hr but 1st time I'd like to have someone that knows something about Jags and the procedure to change it out. THE DEALERSHIP? Ha! They won't touch anything older than 2010. That's comforting to know. I'm on my own on this adventure.
Thank you for the speedy reply. When I can figure out how to add a signature line i will. Until then I'll be sure to include it at the end of any posts I make.
Rich
2000 4.0L Vanden Plas Base na 100k
Anyways, a 2000 Jaguar Vanden Plas x308 and just hit 100k. The message disappeared and car has returned to running normally. Thank the lord for that one.
not sure if Restricted Performance and Limp mode are the same thing but 1st time it was a real dog but I was on a steep climb. Last time it just wouldn't shift but had more get up and go. It may have just been me taking in the feeling of omg what did I break on that first run. And now that I'm thinking of it the 1st time when I put it in reverse I swear It felt odd and made a clunk going into gear which it never did before or since for that matter.
I have been doing a lot of cleaning and such on the car at night which may have brought the battery down. Doors open, trunk open etc etc and no real driving.
But yesterday it was fine. today?### light is on again after a few feet. Started okay, reverse smooth and silent, drive fine but I had to stop for traffic just after a few feet. Soon as I gave it gas I thought i heard n felt a little something? Seemed to come from the right front? Then yellow light came on.
Backed into my drive, parked and disconnected battery snd put on charger since you mentioned it. I had been thinking of doing that anyways.
Only other variable is i had just checked codes with a new cheap obd2 mini v2.1 which i now know is junk. Still had my p1647 code and reset it. Same as last time then next start I had this issue come up. I'm returning the scanner and getting a better one. That may be the current issue?
No matter what happens it has to go in for a fluid change. Finding someone to do it is proving to be difficult. I'd do it myself if I had a lift. I can rent one for $35 hr but 1st time I'd like to have someone that knows something about Jags and the procedure to change it out. THE DEALERSHIP? Ha! They won't touch anything older than 2010. That's comforting to know. I'm on my own on this adventure.
Thank you for the speedy reply. When I can figure out how to add a signature line i will. Until then I'll be sure to include it at the end of any posts I make.
Rich
2000 4.0L Vanden Plas Base na 100k
Last edited by Psycom; 08-09-2024 at 06:56 PM.
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I can't find the spot to edit my signature or i would. I put it in the newbie welcome center.
Anyways, a 2000 Jaguar Vanden Plas x308 and just hit 100k. The message disappeared and car has returned to running normally. Thank the lord for that one.
not sure if Restricted Performance and Limp mode are the same thing but 1st time it was a real dog but I was on a steep climb. Last time it just wouldn't shift but had more get up and go. It may have just been me taking in the feeling of omg what did I break on that first run. And now that I'm thinking of it the 1st time when I put it in reverse I swear It felt odd and made a clunk going into gear which it never did before or since for that matter.
I have been doing a lot of cleaning and such on the car at night which may have brought the battery down. Doors open, trunk open etc etc and no real driving.
But yesterday it was fine. today? I will know soon enough. No matter what happens it has to go in for a fluid change. Finding someone to do it is proving to be difficult. I'd do it myself if I had a lift. I can rent one for $35 hr but 1st time I'd like to have someone that knows something about Jags and the procedure to change it out. THE DEALERSHIP well if o could afford it they wouldn't take me anyway as they won't touch anything older than 2010. Thats comforting to know. I'm on my own on this adventure.
Thank you for the speedy reply. When I can figure out how to add a signature line i will. Until then I'll be sure to include it at the end of any posts I make.
Rich
Anyways, a 2000 Jaguar Vanden Plas x308 and just hit 100k. The message disappeared and car has returned to running normally. Thank the lord for that one.
not sure if Restricted Performance and Limp mode are the same thing but 1st time it was a real dog but I was on a steep climb. Last time it just wouldn't shift but had more get up and go. It may have just been me taking in the feeling of omg what did I break on that first run. And now that I'm thinking of it the 1st time when I put it in reverse I swear It felt odd and made a clunk going into gear which it never did before or since for that matter.
I have been doing a lot of cleaning and such on the car at night which may have brought the battery down. Doors open, trunk open etc etc and no real driving.
But yesterday it was fine. today? I will know soon enough. No matter what happens it has to go in for a fluid change. Finding someone to do it is proving to be difficult. I'd do it myself if I had a lift. I can rent one for $35 hr but 1st time I'd like to have someone that knows something about Jags and the procedure to change it out. THE DEALERSHIP well if o could afford it they wouldn't take me anyway as they won't touch anything older than 2010. Thats comforting to know. I'm on my own on this adventure.
Thank you for the speedy reply. When I can figure out how to add a signature line i will. Until then I'll be sure to include it at the end of any posts I make.
Rich
Be careful with this adventure the wallet will be lighter if you don't know what you're doing
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agreed. Unfortunately i just inherited this car. Was my brothers so I have to keep it. But I know what your saying and has me anxious beyond belief. Plus my other brother just dumped 5k into it for timing chain tensioners that went out when bringing car home. So there's that too.
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that was dealership in Atlanta Georgia. $4960.00 They offered to do the chain too for just 15k more!! I've got the receipt with that quote on it. Thing was he was stuck on the road trying to close the estate of our brother, bringing car home for me. Bad situation all around. Now here I sit. Coulda been worse. 200 more miles it would've broke in my name. I've got a nice Fusion i bought new in 2011. I don't "need" another car but I want to enjoy it if at all possible. It has been wonderful as a distraction and keeps me busy.
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that was dealership in Atlanta Georgia. $4960.00 They offered to do the chain too for just 15k more!! I've got the receipt with that quote on it. Thing was he was stuck on the road trying to close the estate of our brother, bringing car home for me. Bad situation all around. Now here I sit. Coulda been worse. 200 more miles it would've broke in my name. I've got a nice Fusion i bought new in 2011. I don't "need" another car but I want to enjoy it if at all possible. It has been wonderful as a distraction and keeps me busy.
and sometimes used parts are good too
For now just remove the transmission drain plug and refill to proper level you will need lt71141 equivalent transmission fluid liqui moly have this for reasonable price
Sometimes low fluid can do this there's video on YouTube shows how to refill zf5hp to proper level
Stick with rockauto for parts and get good scan tool
And tool set I hope you can diy it
The engine is not that difficult to work on too
Don't fix in hurry take your time and choose the parts wisely to not spend much . Good luck
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Psycom (08-11-2024)
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Thanks. I've watched the videos on this tranny and all the other must fix issues. There's a lot I can do on my own including the fluid change. I did mine on the fusion albeit I cheated and siphoned via dipstick tube. If this had one it'd already be done. Glad you mentioned just draining and refilling as I was thinking of doing that just for now as I won't be comfortable until its been changed. Now to get some ramps to get it off the ground. Heck a lift is what a jag owner needs. The clearance is nonexistent.
Also hoping I can get the history from the dealership. I found a paper trail and know it was always dealer serviced but not all of the records show what was done. The waterpump and thermostat housing are on my Must Do list along with this transmission maintenance which was at the top anyhow.
Thank you again for your help. I do appreciate it.
Richard
Also hoping I can get the history from the dealership. I found a paper trail and know it was always dealer serviced but not all of the records show what was done. The waterpump and thermostat housing are on my Must Do list along with this transmission maintenance which was at the top anyhow.
Thank you again for your help. I do appreciate it.
Richard
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I feel for you! I only post that because of the many threads we have and all the expensive prices that are posted.
Now one big positive is IF you do want to DIY the repairs your car is old enough that all the problems have surfaced a long time ago and we have extensive repair threads on all of it.
So don't be afraid to wade in because in the end it's just a car with 4 wheels an a engine and transmission. I would never be in the Jaguar world if I did not DIY AND I did NOT have access to forums like these. I am in debt to the many guys who came before me and suffered all the problems and posted the repairs.
So remember your not alone!
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Now one big positive is IF you do want to DIY the repairs your car is old enough that all the problems have surfaced a long time ago and we have extensive repair threads on all of it.
So don't be afraid to wade in because in the end it's just a car with 4 wheels an a engine and transmission. I would never be in the Jaguar world if I did not DIY AND I did NOT have access to forums like these. I am in debt to the many guys who came before me and suffered all the problems and posted the repairs.
So remember your not alone!
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