another example
#41
11-02-2010, 11:15 AM
Taillights
[quote=badplan1;262553]Take a look at the pictures... How does the XF or XJ rear end look anything like the Mercedes-Benz CLS550? Further more, to reiterate my point, I doubt the Germans are thinking about what the Brits are up to... Look at that new Ford Mondeo (front and back), Looks quiet familiar 
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They don't look the same, perhaps the basic shape is similar but that's as far as it goes.
[/quoteThey don't look the same, perhaps the basic shape is similar but that's as far as it goes.
#42
11-02-2010, 11:22 AM
Firstly I never read Consumer Reports. Number one reason is due to the fact that all/ most the results are skewed by cash influences. It's not a reliable source of information in my opinion.
Secondly, you have to take into consideration the number of consumers who use these vechicles. That being said, with Jaguar previously having 3 models in their line up and, now having 2, the results are going to vary compared to car companies who have multiple car lines and sell 4X or more the quantities that Jaguar does.
Aluni, with purchasing most cars, design and style come into play, not just a Jaguar. Since your referring to me obviously, just can't say you are, I purchased my X-type because not for prestige by any means. I bought this car because I have a friend who works at a dealership and was able to give me a decent deal on it. I also partly purchased it because after having driven a mitsu for the past year and half, I wanted to go back to something with more luxury like I had with my I35. That being said, at 20 Years old, I'm not fortunate enough yet to be able to purchase these cars brand new as say you who's probably around 40 or so. but at my age, I bet I have/had better cars than anyone else at my age.
With this being said, this concludes my participation in this thread. The original point and post having been so maliciously skewed that its not even funny. Furthermore, the way other forum members have approached this situation, throwing random insults and, non- factual information in or, opinions they are stating as facts with out backing has become redundant.
For those of you who fail to see that, there are indeed better cars out there than I do take pity on you.
Good Day
Secondly, you have to take into consideration the number of consumers who use these vechicles. That being said, with Jaguar previously having 3 models in their line up and, now having 2, the results are going to vary compared to car companies who have multiple car lines and sell 4X or more the quantities that Jaguar does.
Aluni, with purchasing most cars, design and style come into play, not just a Jaguar. Since your referring to me obviously, just can't say you are, I purchased my X-type because not for prestige by any means. I bought this car because I have a friend who works at a dealership and was able to give me a decent deal on it. I also partly purchased it because after having driven a mitsu for the past year and half, I wanted to go back to something with more luxury like I had with my I35. That being said, at 20 Years old, I'm not fortunate enough yet to be able to purchase these cars brand new as say you who's probably around 40 or so. but at my age, I bet I have/had better cars than anyone else at my age.
With this being said, this concludes my participation in this thread. The original point and post having been so maliciously skewed that its not even funny. Furthermore, the way other forum members have approached this situation, throwing random insults and, non- factual information in or, opinions they are stating as facts with out backing has become redundant.
For those of you who fail to see that, there are indeed better cars out there than I do take pity on you.
Good Day
Fact. The Jaguar XJ has been a world leader in lowest deaths per mile driven since 1968. It is only closely followed recently by the S class. Where was Mercedes 30 years ago? 20 years ago? 10 years ago?
Fact. How many Jews, Poles and other slave labors did Daimler Managers shoot during WW2? That would be 9 proven murders. Countless others worked to death or starved.
Fact. JD Powers and Consumer Reports has ranked Jaguar higher than Mercedes for the past 10 years in reliablity and owner satisfaction.
#44
11-02-2010, 12:32 PM
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Since when does consumer reports have cash influences. They dont accept any advertising, donations etc...buy everything off the shelf to test and are purely paid from readership, annuities, and money left in wills etc...
I have subscribed and used consumer reports for a couple decades and see where they go for moeny, you can buy annuities and leave them in your will, raffles for cars etc....all to pay for their "unbiased" testing
now if youde have said that about jd powers well that i would believe
I have subscribed and used consumer reports for a couple decades and see where they go for moeny, you can buy annuities and leave them in your will, raffles for cars etc....all to pay for their "unbiased" testing
now if youde have said that about jd powers well that i would believe
#45
11-02-2010, 12:47 PM
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Since when does consumer reports have cash influences. They dont accept any advertising, donations etc...buy everything off the shelf to test and are purely paid from readership, annuities, and money left in wills etc...
I have subscribed and used consumer reports for a couple decades and see where they go for moeny, you can buy annuities and leave them in your will, raffles for cars etc....all to pay for their "unbiased" testing
now if youde have said that about jd powers well that i would believe
I have subscribed and used consumer reports for a couple decades and see where they go for moeny, you can buy annuities and leave them in your will, raffles for cars etc....all to pay for their "unbiased" testing
now if youde have said that about jd powers well that i would believe
So I award you no points and my God have mercy on your soul..
#47
11-06-2010, 03:17 PM
Jaguar and Mercedes
Owned by a Mercedes owner? You must open the garage door before you start your dirty diesel burning hitlermobile. I know it takes a bit before the glow plugs warm up things enough and its cold out.
Fact, Jaguar DESIGNS cars, Mercedes engineers them. There is a huge difference. If engineers ruled the world it would be a boring, ugly (though functional) place. At least like you said you wouldn't fall asleep driving a boring, ugly car since it wakes you up after it puts you to sleep. I still prefer driving a car that I enjoy driving enough to stay awake doing so. Even Mercedes doesn't build a seat as comfortable as my bed. To each his/her own. I simply prefer giving up some fine engineering for some style. Maybe its because I have to deal with engineers all day long or maybe I just am tired of a world of econoboxes build by engineers.
I guess you're just one of those brainwashed Mercedes fans who just hasn't seen the light. There is always hope. I'll pray for ya to the automotive gods.
Fact, Jaguar DESIGNS cars, Mercedes engineers them. There is a huge difference. If engineers ruled the world it would be a boring, ugly (though functional) place. At least like you said you wouldn't fall asleep driving a boring, ugly car since it wakes you up after it puts you to sleep. I still prefer driving a car that I enjoy driving enough to stay awake doing so. Even Mercedes doesn't build a seat as comfortable as my bed. To each his/her own. I simply prefer giving up some fine engineering for some style. Maybe its because I have to deal with engineers all day long or maybe I just am tired of a world of econoboxes build by engineers.
I guess you're just one of those brainwashed Mercedes fans who just hasn't seen the light. There is always hope. I'll pray for ya to the automotive gods.
#48
11-06-2010, 03:47 PM
Lifes too short to drive boring cars. Obviously I'm an odd bird who prefers to ride my motorcikle provided the temp is above 15 degrees and there wasn't any precipitation the previous night.
#49
11-07-2010, 02:48 PM
Engineering / design
That's where your wrong. Engineering does not equate to design. Personally, I'd rather be stuck by the side of the road in something that was designed then driving something which looks like the tow truck I'm waiting to be picked up by. Lifes too short to drive boring cars. Obviously I'm an odd bird who prefers to ride my motorcikle provided the temp is above 15 degrees and there wasn't any precipitation the previous night.
Lifes too short to drive boring cars. Obviously I'm an odd bird who prefers to ride my motorcikle provided the temp is above 15 degrees and there wasn't any precipitation the previous night.
#50
11-07-2010, 03:39 PM
I have a sticker on my '69 Triumph TR-6 that says: "The parts falling off of this car are of the highest quality British origin"
#51
11-07-2010, 03:44 PM
#52
11-07-2010, 03:49 PM
Don't you mean you had a sticker holding your rear bumper on until it fell off. I've actually been quite suprised how well built the Tivver has been thus far, once you get past the wiring nightmare they call a loom. Haven't had a single thing fall off. Locktite solved that problem.
#53
11-07-2010, 03:56 PM
I once owned a TVR...well, kind of. It was actually a '66 Griffith 400. That car was a BEAST...quicker than snot! Unfortunately, it ping-ponged from one guard rail to the other several times on an icy bridge and the fiberglass disintegrated.
It was about as close to a kit car as any production car I've ever seen. I once dumped the clutch so hard on it that I spun the splined hub shafts inside the Dunlop wire wheels.
It was about as close to a kit car as any production car I've ever seen. I once dumped the clutch so hard on it that I spun the splined hub shafts inside the Dunlop wire wheels.
#54
11-07-2010, 05:51 PM
I once owned a TVR...well, kind of. It was actually a '66 Griffith 400. That car was a BEAST...quicker than snot! Unfortunately, it ping-ponged from one guard rail to the other several times on an icy bridge and the fiberglass disintegrated.
It was about as close to a kit car as any production car I've ever seen. I once dumped the clutch so hard on it that I spun the splined hub shafts inside the Dunlop wire wheels.
It was about as close to a kit car as any production car I've ever seen. I once dumped the clutch so hard on it that I spun the splined hub shafts inside the Dunlop wire wheels.
#56
11-07-2010, 10:22 PM
Exactly, that had what the MG rear? I really like the Jag rear on mine. Hope it does just fine with the 300hp coming at it. When I decided on going British for a fun car, the TR6 was short on the list. My dad had one back in the day, I had one I started restoring in college. I just don't have the ability at home do deal with rust so it lost quick.
#57
11-08-2010, 05:26 PM
#58
11-09-2010, 12:46 PM
Design / engineering
#59
11-09-2010, 12:48 PM
#60
11-09-2010, 12:52 PM
Rear axle
I once owned a TVR...well, kind of. It was actually a '66 Griffith 400. That car was a BEAST...quicker than snot! Unfortunately, it ping-ponged from one guard rail to the other several times on an icy bridge and the fiberglass disintegrated.
It was about as close to a kit car as any production car I've ever seen. I once dumped the clutch so hard on it that I spun the splined hub shafts inside the Dunlop wire wheels.
It was about as close to a kit car as any production car I've ever seen. I once dumped the clutch so hard on it that I spun the splined hub shafts inside the Dunlop wire wheels.