Early X-type reliability
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Early X-type reliability
i'm looking to get into a 2002-2004 x-type as a daily driver. Probably going to try to find one in manual.
What should i be looking out for? I'm looking for more x-type specific problems than general car problems. Are there noticably different reliability problems between the 2.5L and the 3.0L? What usually gives out?
If there's another thread you guys could point me to, or tell me your own experiences, i'd appreciate it.
Ivan
What should i be looking out for? I'm looking for more x-type specific problems than general car problems. Are there noticably different reliability problems between the 2.5L and the 3.0L? What usually gives out?
If there's another thread you guys could point me to, or tell me your own experiences, i'd appreciate it.
Ivan
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RE: Early X-type reliability
the manual is the best way to go. It works nicely and will out last the auto tranny. The fuel consumption is much less also.
I dont have a clue what is wrong with a stick shift in a sports sedan? This is not a lux0-barge Jag.
Automatics are for handicapped people..... that is what they say in Europe.
I have read about way to many horror stories about failed automatics.
If you are in the market for an off-warranty car, the risk is quite high that you will have to spend half the price of the car just to fix the transmission.
I dont have a clue what is wrong with a stick shift in a sports sedan? This is not a lux0-barge Jag.
Automatics are for handicapped people..... that is what they say in Europe.
I have read about way to many horror stories about failed automatics.
If you are in the market for an off-warranty car, the risk is quite high that you will have to spend half the price of the car just to fix the transmission.
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I agree that reliability should be better with the manual unless the transmission / clutch have been abused.
Whether it fits the car...I've driven one with a manual, and as long as you also have the Sport Package it suits the character of the car okay. Just also be aware that the ride is very firm with the Sport Package.
You should be able to get an especially good price if you find one with a manual.
Wish I could help more on the reliability front. I conduct reliability research, but not enough X-Type owners involved yet.
Whether it fits the car...I've driven one with a manual, and as long as you also have the Sport Package it suits the character of the car okay. Just also be aware that the ride is very firm with the Sport Package.
You should be able to get an especially good price if you find one with a manual.
Wish I could help more on the reliability front. I conduct reliability research, but not enough X-Type owners involved yet.
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Drive both and get what you want (auto/stick, gas mileage isn't a huge difference if you notice below.)
Most important factors is to get the 3.0 liter motor no matter what car you get whether it be auto or manual. There have been problems with both auto and manual trannies but nothing to worry about.
I have an 02' and wouldn't trade it in for anything but a 2005 sport with the ground effect. Every car has problems, you pay quite a bit less for an 02 so don't fear the year just check it out!
Known problems with these cars,
-oil pan gaskets
-front suspension
-door handles and locks/linkages
-transfer case
-vents popping up.
Don't take it from me though go test drive one and check the car out, if you dont' know anything about cars take it to a mechanic and pay them to look it over. Just make sure you don't pay more than you should for any of the cars!
MPG figures
2.5 3.0
5-speed manual 19/26 18/28
automatic 18/25 18/25
Most important factors is to get the 3.0 liter motor no matter what car you get whether it be auto or manual. There have been problems with both auto and manual trannies but nothing to worry about.
I have an 02' and wouldn't trade it in for anything but a 2005 sport with the ground effect. Every car has problems, you pay quite a bit less for an 02 so don't fear the year just check it out!
Known problems with these cars,
-oil pan gaskets
-front suspension
-door handles and locks/linkages
-transfer case
-vents popping up.
Don't take it from me though go test drive one and check the car out, if you dont' know anything about cars take it to a mechanic and pay them to look it over. Just make sure you don't pay more than you should for any of the cars!
MPG figures
2.5 3.0
5-speed manual 19/26 18/28
automatic 18/25 18/25
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aquill, All of us here know that your 02’ is a great car, but didn’t some of the 02’s have issues. I mean more issues than any other year? Not your 02’ I know you have said that yours has been perfect but maybe the 03’ and up for a first time jag owner is the way to go?
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In all fairness..If there is an 02 still rolling down the road..most all of those first MY problems have been fixed under warranty, long before they reached this point in their lives..The rest are probably in a scrap yard somewhere.
Also, they were having problems with Prop shaft balance.
Also, they were having problems with Prop shaft balance.
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For the price you can get the 02 at it's worth it. Most of them have had the problems fixed. From my understanding the transmission and transfer case haven't changed so the reliability on those parts wouldn't change. You can get 02's for under 10grand, you could take that other 2 or 3 grand others spend on 03's and get an extended warranty or save the money for catastrophic failure. Every car has it's problems imo the problems the 02's have aren't too huge of a deal. It all depends on what your wanting to spend, if your looking to spend 12 or less chances are your looking at 02-03 and if your at 15k or more your probably looking at a 04 or newer and more than likely sport edition.
The best thing I could tell anyone is to get a sport model!
The best thing I could tell anyone is to get a sport model!
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I agree with Dennis..
The issues with 02 should be resolved by now. I dont have any of the so called typical issues.
I do have a leaky transfer case now.. (190 000km) and my car for some damn reason likes to eat wheel bearing.
But I think that there is a big difference from a car that HAD problems (gone now) and a car that WILL (might) have problems.
The 02 HAD problems... but that was 6 years ago now.Shame on any owner for not dealing with an issue for that long.
The issues with 02 should be resolved by now. I dont have any of the so called typical issues.
I do have a leaky transfer case now.. (190 000km) and my car for some damn reason likes to eat wheel bearing.
But I think that there is a big difference from a car that HAD problems (gone now) and a car that WILL (might) have problems.
The 02 HAD problems... but that was 6 years ago now.Shame on any owner for not dealing with an issue for that long.
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I say skip the 02 and get an 2003 or newer,
that is coming only from my experiance.
but like any used car 75% of problems come from the previous owner not maintaining the vehicle correctly and diligently.
the other 15% is just odd luck
and the last 10% is the mfg rushing out cars and doing a half azz job to correct the build and enginering issues, hoping that it will not fault and sometimes they get lucky.
If you dont drive in bumper to bumper traffic then jump on the manual, its so much more fun, and it does save gas/or burn more. because its a manual you have control of your revs and mpg.
I swore off manuals after i turned 17 because i live/work in an urban area so it more practical to have an automatic.
that is coming only from my experiance.
but like any used car 75% of problems come from the previous owner not maintaining the vehicle correctly and diligently.
the other 15% is just odd luck
and the last 10% is the mfg rushing out cars and doing a half azz job to correct the build and enginering issues, hoping that it will not fault and sometimes they get lucky.
If you dont drive in bumper to bumper traffic then jump on the manual, its so much more fun, and it does save gas/or burn more. because its a manual you have control of your revs and mpg.
I swore off manuals after i turned 17 because i live/work in an urban area so it more practical to have an automatic.
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I have a 2002 X-type Sport 3.0L with a manual. And I have every dealer service record the car has had since new.
The only things that stand out other than the regular 10k maintence interval items (oil, filters, etc) was a thermostat (overheating problem), faulty drivers door latch mechanisim, sunroof cables needed adjusting, passanger seat weight sensor for pass airbag was faulty, ECM reflash, faulty trunk latch, transfer case leak by pinion shaft, and the ABStoothed wheel rusted off (causingABS fault).
These were all items prior to my ownership and were all covered under warranty.
Also the front headlight washers (if equipped)have a tendancy to have ice buildup behind thewasherjetcovers and thenbreak off. I have oneoff currently.
Since myownershipthe reverse light switch on thetransmission failed (no reverselights and rear park assistwill not work), and I had a rear trunk sensor for the HID headlights break off its mount bracket causing my headlights to aim down severely.
I would reccomend the Sport model due to the fact it more than likely will have most options equipped and the handling is taught and precise. I like the monochromatic looks as well.
I love driving manual cars so an auto was not a consideration and coupled with all the stories I have read on auto tranny slipping and failures I knew I definitely did not want one. But as stated before if you drive in stop and go traffic a 5spd would be a pain and cause excess wear.
I would go with the newest and most clean example that you can afford. But I have been happy with my 2002 3.0L Sport.
As far as luxury sedans being ruined by manual transmissions I say not in the least. Look at the E32 BMW M5's they were 4-door and 5spds, or E39 BMW 540is's with 6spds. These were cars larger than the X-type and were sport sedans. For drivers who enjoyed driving but needed the room for family, etc.
I wish Jagoffered a manual in the S-type R, that would be a killer combo!
The only things that stand out other than the regular 10k maintence interval items (oil, filters, etc) was a thermostat (overheating problem), faulty drivers door latch mechanisim, sunroof cables needed adjusting, passanger seat weight sensor for pass airbag was faulty, ECM reflash, faulty trunk latch, transfer case leak by pinion shaft, and the ABStoothed wheel rusted off (causingABS fault).
These were all items prior to my ownership and were all covered under warranty.
Also the front headlight washers (if equipped)have a tendancy to have ice buildup behind thewasherjetcovers and thenbreak off. I have oneoff currently.
Since myownershipthe reverse light switch on thetransmission failed (no reverselights and rear park assistwill not work), and I had a rear trunk sensor for the HID headlights break off its mount bracket causing my headlights to aim down severely.
I would reccomend the Sport model due to the fact it more than likely will have most options equipped and the handling is taught and precise. I like the monochromatic looks as well.
I love driving manual cars so an auto was not a consideration and coupled with all the stories I have read on auto tranny slipping and failures I knew I definitely did not want one. But as stated before if you drive in stop and go traffic a 5spd would be a pain and cause excess wear.
I would go with the newest and most clean example that you can afford. But I have been happy with my 2002 3.0L Sport.
As far as luxury sedans being ruined by manual transmissions I say not in the least. Look at the E32 BMW M5's they were 4-door and 5spds, or E39 BMW 540is's with 6spds. These were cars larger than the X-type and were sport sedans. For drivers who enjoyed driving but needed the room for family, etc.
I wish Jagoffered a manual in the S-type R, that would be a killer combo!
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RE: Early X-type reliability
My only reasoning behind getting a manual is because i feel so disconnected from the road with a slushbox. I have a 89 civic SI that's 5spd now, if it wasn't i'd kill myself rather than drive it. As for manual trannies ruining luxury sedan's, i have a 5spd in my bmw 328, and wouldn't have it any other way.
It sounds like the problems with the 02's are minimal, most of that stuff sounds like i could do myself. The sunroof i probably wont bother with as i'll mostly be driving in the winter. Where does the transfer case leak?
Do you have to drop the front subframe to replace the oil pan gasket?
Thanks a lot for your help buys, i'm leaning more and more to getting an X-type.
It sounds like the problems with the 02's are minimal, most of that stuff sounds like i could do myself. The sunroof i probably wont bother with as i'll mostly be driving in the winter. Where does the transfer case leak?
Do you have to drop the front subframe to replace the oil pan gasket?
Thanks a lot for your help buys, i'm leaning more and more to getting an X-type.
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More than likely if the oil pan gasket is going to leak it has already started or will start soon or has been fixed. I can't remember if it would take moving other things around to get at the oil pan now or not...sorry couldn't help to that...I'd imagine that is only a 50 dollar fix at most plus the cost of oil...
I'd get one with a moonroof as if you don't have it the rear seats don't fold down and I've found that the seats folding down has been very useful on many occasions...
Just get a good deal on a good car and check her out really good! You can tell whether they took care of the car or not!
I'd get one with a moonroof as if you don't have it the rear seats don't fold down and I've found that the seats folding down has been very useful on many occasions...
Just get a good deal on a good car and check her out really good! You can tell whether they took care of the car or not!
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The X-type is an awesome winter car. I used to drive my Porsche 944 in the winters around here and being a 50/50 weight balance the impeading factors was tire slippage and low ground clearance. But with the X-type the AWD kicks butt especially with good all-season tires or winter tires. If you opt for the SPORT model you can turn off the traction control at the hit of a button on center counsel which is nice for going faster in the snow if you desire. Sure the tires spin but if you get sliding around the corner, hit the gas some more and you will be amazed at how the front tires just claw you out of it. Nice balance! Wish the ABS was a bit better in the snow/ice thought.
I believe most Transfer case leaks come from the output shaft flange seal going towards the rear differential.
If you get an X-type plan on changing that T-case fluid as soon as possible. When I changed mine not long after ownership I took out the drain plug and had ~3/16" of metallic sludge on the end and NOT a drop came out!!
Granted there is only 600ml in there to begin with from factory but that is over half a quart. Something should have came out. There has been speculation that it either leaks out or due to volatility burn off it evaporates due to the exhaust running close to it.
I ended up changine the manual trans fluid, engine oil, Transfer case oil, and rear differential oil as well.
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I believe most Transfer case leaks come from the output shaft flange seal going towards the rear differential.
If you get an X-type plan on changing that T-case fluid as soon as possible. When I changed mine not long after ownership I took out the drain plug and had ~3/16" of metallic sludge on the end and NOT a drop came out!!
Granted there is only 600ml in there to begin with from factory but that is over half a quart. Something should have came out. There has been speculation that it either leaks out or due to volatility burn off it evaporates due to the exhaust running close to it.
I ended up changine the manual trans fluid, engine oil, Transfer case oil, and rear differential oil as well.
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Hi Chas,
Nice looking jag! I have a 2002 X-type as well. 2.5 liter with no major problems.
Chas, quick question, can you please tell me what fluids you used for the Tcase and especially the transmission? I think people are still divided on using an aftermarket transmission fluid on this forum.
thanks!
Nice looking jag! I have a 2002 X-type as well. 2.5 liter with no major problems.
Chas, quick question, can you please tell me what fluids you used for the Tcase and especially the transmission? I think people are still divided on using an aftermarket transmission fluid on this forum.
thanks!
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