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Old 06-24-2008, 09:28 AM
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I've done it to a Mitsu 4-cyl w/ nice results. I was just wondering if anyone had tried it on the 3.0 before I venture in. Anything I should be weary of? You think the computer may have an adverse reaction to it?

And for those who may not know, I'm talking about this:

http://www.hydrogen-boost.com/index.html
 
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Old 06-24-2008, 10:26 AM
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I would not do it.
But to look into it, see if any ford taurus`s have had it done. The 3.0 is a close relative to our jaggs (if you have the 3.0 motor)
 
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Old 06-24-2008, 10:32 AM
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Bikkity BAM: http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/show...445&page=1
 
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Mazarin, what sort of gains did you get with your first car? Kinda curious. You would be the first person that I have met that actually got any sort of gain from a vehicle. Atleast on the theory side of things, adding a gas generator to form HHO should, if anything, result in a power loss due to requiring more energy to form the HHO then you get out of just burning the HHO gas.

As for working in our cars, the computer should adjust accordingly as it bases the amount of fuel injected into the engine on the position of the throttle and the amount of O2 left over in the exhaust gases.

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Old 06-24-2008, 10:50 AM
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The biggest issue w/ HHO and "Brown Gas" creation is that alot of people try to produce too much HHO. The drag on the engine ends up being greater than the gas "saved" with all the HHO being produced. More HHO + more drag = not efficient. A happy medium needs to be found in order for it to be worth the setup.

I got 5-10 mile improvements on my friends Lancer in a joint project.
 
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Old 06-24-2008, 11:11 AM
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Mazarin, the 5-10 mile improvement you are talking about that. Is that per tank of gas or are you saying that the car gained 5-10 mpg? Just making sure we are talking the same thing.

Chris "Thermo" Coleman and Nukie, the radioactive 97 X
 
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Old 06-24-2008, 11:31 AM
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wow. Impressive

Is it actually that effective? An increase in effeciancy by 42% is outstanding
 
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It's per gallon. Really babying it we were getting 10 more. But lets not forget this is on a car that's getting 27-30 MPG already. I'm only expecting 2-5 MPG improvements on the Jag to start and work up from there.
 
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Sorry for bringing this back from the dead... I have a kit to be installed dry cell 21 plate.. The engine bay is cramped though.. suggestions for mounting the upper reservoir?
 
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Oh dear, another one of those ideas (scam) that doesnt work.

 
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Some interesting reading for those that might want an independent view of things. Now, this article does cover some of the other "fuel saver" devices out there, but the last one that they talk about is essentially an HHO device (converts distilled water into hydrogen). I will let you decide. This was an article that was written by Popular Mechanics. Love them or hate them, they give dyno results along with real world driving results.

Looking For A Miracle: We Test Automotive 'Fuel Savers' - Popular Mechanics
 
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Old 01-08-2013, 08:28 PM
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Just to be fair, here is an article that promotes the other side of the argument from Popular Mechanics. Just a warning, you may need a semi-technical degree to read this article and understand exactly what is being said to get the full grasp.

http://www.eagle-research.com/erpdf/...oofs110316.pdf
 
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Very interesting reads.. I already have the stuff needed to install so I'll at least give it a shot. I'll take pictures and try to include as much info as I can provide about the results or lack of results. Any suggestions are certainly welcome.
 
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I'm sorry to be negative.
The 'Eagle Research' pdf is just nonsense.
Always be suspicious of anyone who uses more than two colours and three font sizes but when one has to postulate that the whole effect is produced by a new state of water (previously unknown to science) called 'Electrically Expanded Water' the whole thing degenerates into comedy.
I'd install the gadget on a distant shelf in the garage, preferably under an embroidered sampler saying
'Thou shalt not break the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics'
and call it a day.
 
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Ya, the only thing we used water for, back in the day, was to pour it down the carb of a hot, running, tired V8, to "knock" carbon deposits off the tops of the pistons. The concussive "explosion" of the water flashing to steam was supposed to to that.

Don't know if it every resulted in anything. But when you had 400+ cubes of angry V8 you really didn't care too much...
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Putting a magnet along side of the HHO injector line, and adding a 10% (by weight) solution of Snake Oil (25%) and Liquid Hot Air (75%) will achieve even greater results!

"Perception is the Greater Part of Reality"
- as spoken to me by Mr. William Z. Williams, Snake Oil Salesman Supreme, founder of Microlon, Inc. (Oil Additive Manufacturer), and the true inventor of the "Slick 50" Oil Treatment.
 
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Originally Posted by Bruce in North Dakota
Putting a magnet along side of the HHO injector line, and adding a 10% (by weight) solution of Snake Oil (25%) and Liquid Hot Air (75%) will achieve even greater results!
Only if you use Plum's Special Non-Entropic Snake Oil (exclusive to our Snake Oil Shop)
This is only available in non-returnable Klein Bottles (POA) for obvious reasons.
 
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I almost fell off my seat laughing reading that PDF!
I'm by no means a genius, but i know from chemistry / physics lessons etc. that that's impossible.

A fool and his/her money are easily parted.

The other problem that will eventually be encountered is s broken engine due to running lean. There will be unburned excess oxygen in the exhaust gasses which the lambda will pick up causing the ecu to run the engine lean.

There's more but i cant articulate it. Sorry
 
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I don't think my engine compartment is big enough to hold the HHO equipment since I already installed the Flux Capacitor assembly.
 
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Originally Posted by bzavasnik
I don't think my engine compartment is big enough to hold the HHO equipment since I already installed the Flux Capacitor assembly.
Must be more room under the hood of a 2.5l Flux Capacitor would have been my first choice!
 


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