New to jaguar, questions about 2003 x type gas mileage, reliability..
#21
>So what are these 2000 awd horror stories I hear?
Long story short, the case had thin walls and flexed with the drive train. They cracked, the fluid leaked out, and crunch no go...
After 2004 the cases became much more robust and the cracking problem went away. There is really no way to correct it in an earlier car although a later transfer case can be substituted.
But there are real problems with doing that. The earlier AWD was actually superior. It was a fluid coupled design that corrected transferred torque went the wheels started to slip. The later cases are "open" design and won't prevent one wheel from spinning while the others just sit there.
Jaguar addressed that problem via traction control where the ABS system is used to brake a spinning wheel allow torque to be routed to other wheels. It's really kind of a hack as far as AWD is concerned.
But it works well enough.
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Jaguar: Grace, Pace, and Space - Sir William Lyons
Long story short, the case had thin walls and flexed with the drive train. They cracked, the fluid leaked out, and crunch no go...
After 2004 the cases became much more robust and the cracking problem went away. There is really no way to correct it in an earlier car although a later transfer case can be substituted.
But there are real problems with doing that. The earlier AWD was actually superior. It was a fluid coupled design that corrected transferred torque went the wheels started to slip. The later cases are "open" design and won't prevent one wheel from spinning while the others just sit there.
Jaguar addressed that problem via traction control where the ABS system is used to brake a spinning wheel allow torque to be routed to other wheels. It's really kind of a hack as far as AWD is concerned.
But it works well enough.
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Jaguar: Grace, Pace, and Space - Sir William Lyons
#24
#25
>How does one prolong the life of said transmission and transfer case?
Drain and replace the T-Case fluid. There are many different threads here that describe how that is done.
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Jaguar: Grace, Pace, and Space - Sir William Lyons
Drain and replace the T-Case fluid. There are many different threads here that describe how that is done.
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Jaguar: Grace, Pace, and Space - Sir William Lyons
Will check this out...will have those checked for sure.
#26
#27
Oh yea I am going to check around and see who can do it for me no doubt, I am not into that technican fluid changing. I can do oil, but the transmission I am leaving to the pros.
#28
>I scheduled an appointment to get my T-case fluid changed tomorrow at a local shop
Warning, warning, warning!
Make sure your shop knows what they're doing!!!!
If they're unfamiliar with X-Types they may assume that it's simple to drain/refill a T-Case, but it's NOT, NOT, NOT!!!!!!
The drain plug is on the bottom (good) but the fill plug is on the top (very, very, very bad!!!!!) and is not accessible w/o removing the T-Case which involves removing major parts of the front suspension.
Your shop my drain the fluid and then realize they can't refill it. Then you/they will be certainly and truly screwed********
Talk to them immediately and have them explain what they are going to do!!! There's a work around that has been developed by people on this mailing list and if your shop is unfamiliar with it you will be in trouble.
Walk away as fast as you can if they indicate that they are unfamiliar with the X-Type!!!!!!!!
================================================
Jaguar: Grace, Pace, and Space - Sir William Lyons
Warning, warning, warning!
Make sure your shop knows what they're doing!!!!
If they're unfamiliar with X-Types they may assume that it's simple to drain/refill a T-Case, but it's NOT, NOT, NOT!!!!!!
The drain plug is on the bottom (good) but the fill plug is on the top (very, very, very bad!!!!!) and is not accessible w/o removing the T-Case which involves removing major parts of the front suspension.
Your shop my drain the fluid and then realize they can't refill it. Then you/they will be certainly and truly screwed********
Talk to them immediately and have them explain what they are going to do!!! There's a work around that has been developed by people on this mailing list and if your shop is unfamiliar with it you will be in trouble.
Walk away as fast as you can if they indicate that they are unfamiliar with the X-Type!!!!!!!!
================================================
Jaguar: Grace, Pace, and Space - Sir William Lyons
#29
#31
I had both transmission and T/C oil changed in March, a week after buying the car. They also used a sealant kit as the T/C had been leaking really slightly. Told me the magnet in the plug had no metal flakes to speak of, so it looked good...
Here's what it cost me:
Oil change & sealing the case: 192 USD
T/C oil (Castrol Syntrax limited slip 75w-140): 11 USD
T/C sealant kit: 78 USD
Transmission oil change: 90 USD
Transmission oil (Castrol Syntrax 75w-90): 51 USD
X1R oil additive (should be good, this is where I study): 43 USD
This was at an independant Jaguar shop. I guess the T/C oil change work would've been maybe 150 USD without the sealing?
I'm having the engine oil changed (and a block heater installed) tomorrow. I guess I'll ask them to use some 0W-30 oil, considering that it may even reach -30 degrees in the winter. Opinions?
Here's what it cost me:
Oil change & sealing the case: 192 USD
T/C oil (Castrol Syntrax limited slip 75w-140): 11 USD
T/C sealant kit: 78 USD
Transmission oil change: 90 USD
Transmission oil (Castrol Syntrax 75w-90): 51 USD
X1R oil additive (should be good, this is where I study): 43 USD
This was at an independant Jaguar shop. I guess the T/C oil change work would've been maybe 150 USD without the sealing?
I'm having the engine oil changed (and a block heater installed) tomorrow. I guess I'll ask them to use some 0W-30 oil, considering that it may even reach -30 degrees in the winter. Opinions?
#33
>I had both transmission and T/C oil changed in March
Any idea how they did it? Did they:
A) remove the T-Case and then with it on a bench drain/refill, or
B) use the "prop the car up on the driver's side up so the T-Case is on an angle and fill until it starts running out" trick?
Cuz there ain't no other way ta do it
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Jaguar: Grace, Pace, and Space - Sir William Lyons
Any idea how they did it? Did they:
A) remove the T-Case and then with it on a bench drain/refill, or
B) use the "prop the car up on the driver's side up so the T-Case is on an angle and fill until it starts running out" trick?
Cuz there ain't no other way ta do it
================================================
Jaguar: Grace, Pace, and Space - Sir William Lyons
#34
>I had both transmission and T/C oil changed in March
Any idea how they did it? Did they:
A) remove the T-Case and then with it on a bench drain/refill, or
B) use the "prop the car up on the driver's side up so the T-Case is on an angle and fill until it starts running out" trick?
Cuz there ain't no other way ta do it
================================================
Jaguar: Grace, Pace, and Space - Sir William Lyons
Any idea how they did it? Did they:
A) remove the T-Case and then with it on a bench drain/refill, or
B) use the "prop the car up on the driver's side up so the T-Case is on an angle and fill until it starts running out" trick?
Cuz there ain't no other way ta do it
================================================
Jaguar: Grace, Pace, and Space - Sir William Lyons
#35
>I scheduled an appointment to get my T-case fluid changed tomorrow at a local shop
Warning, warning, warning!
Make sure your shop knows what they're doing!!!!
If they're unfamiliar with X-Types they may assume that it's simple to drain/refill a T-Case, but it's NOT, NOT, NOT!!!!!!
The drain plug is on the bottom (good) but the fill plug is on the top (very, very, very bad!!!!!) and is not accessible w/o removing the T-Case which involves removing major parts of the front suspension.
Your shop my drain the fluid and then realize they can't refill it. Then you/they will be certainly and truly screwed********
Talk to them immediately and have them explain what they are going to do!!! There's a work around that has been developed by people on this mailing list and if your shop is unfamiliar with it you will be in trouble.
Walk away as fast as you can if they indicate that they are unfamiliar with the X-Type!!!!!!!!
================================================
Jaguar: Grace, Pace, and Space - Sir William Lyons
Warning, warning, warning!
Make sure your shop knows what they're doing!!!!
If they're unfamiliar with X-Types they may assume that it's simple to drain/refill a T-Case, but it's NOT, NOT, NOT!!!!!!
The drain plug is on the bottom (good) but the fill plug is on the top (very, very, very bad!!!!!) and is not accessible w/o removing the T-Case which involves removing major parts of the front suspension.
Your shop my drain the fluid and then realize they can't refill it. Then you/they will be certainly and truly screwed********
Talk to them immediately and have them explain what they are going to do!!! There's a work around that has been developed by people on this mailing list and if your shop is unfamiliar with it you will be in trouble.
Walk away as fast as you can if they indicate that they are unfamiliar with the X-Type!!!!!!!!
================================================
Jaguar: Grace, Pace, and Space - Sir William Lyons
That being said, they told me it was going to be a 30-35 minute job but it ended up being over 2 hours. The reason being that they ordered the fluid from the only Jag dealer in the area and it wasn't delivered until an hour after I had been sitting there.
#36
>I do my research before I go to any shop
No slight meant, just concerned that you might not be getting a square answer.
But did you happen to watch them as they did it? 35 minutes doesn't seem long enough to drop the T-Case, drain/refill, reinstall.
Perhaps this shop knows the "angle" on doing it with the T-Case in place.
================================================
Jaguar: Grace, Pace, and Space - Sir William Lyons
No slight meant, just concerned that you might not be getting a square answer.
But did you happen to watch them as they did it? 35 minutes doesn't seem long enough to drop the T-Case, drain/refill, reinstall.
Perhaps this shop knows the "angle" on doing it with the T-Case in place.
================================================
Jaguar: Grace, Pace, and Space - Sir William Lyons
#37
>I do my research before I go to any shop
No slight meant, just concerned that you might not be getting a square answer.
But did you happen to watch them as they did it? 35 minutes doesn't seem long enough to drop the T-Case, drain/refill, reinstall.
Perhaps this shop knows the "angle" on doing it with the T-Case in place.
================================================
Jaguar: Grace, Pace, and Space - Sir William Lyons
No slight meant, just concerned that you might not be getting a square answer.
But did you happen to watch them as they did it? 35 minutes doesn't seem long enough to drop the T-Case, drain/refill, reinstall.
Perhaps this shop knows the "angle" on doing it with the T-Case in place.
================================================
Jaguar: Grace, Pace, and Space - Sir William Lyons
The fact that it took 2 hours makes me think they possibly didn't realize they had to drop it to access the fill port. Or it could be just that the fluid didn't arrive until an hour after I was there waiting. So I'm guessing they either knew the trick and had to wait on the fluid or didn't know the trick and had to drop the t-case. When I talked to the guy on the phone though he knew exactly what I was talking about so I'm inclined to think he knew the trick.
#38
2003 x-type v6 2.1 ltr petrol
hey Guys,has anybody got any results for fuel consumption with the ac turned off ?
I've seen clarkson and gang doing this when doing trips on fixed fuel amounts but on my
gauges the difference is negligible.I'd be interested if anybody else has some info.
caspar32
hey Guys,has anybody got any results for fuel consumption with the ac turned off ?
I've seen clarkson and gang doing this when doing trips on fixed fuel amounts but on my
gauges the difference is negligible.I'd be interested if anybody else has some info.
caspar32
Last edited by caspar32; 05-18-2014 at 12:07 PM.
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