Oil CHange
#21
01-05-2008, 07:55 PM
RE: Oil CHange
I apologize for getting in the middle of this topic and trampling anyone's egos...I can imagineevery car forum on the web, has at least dozens of threads about oil, but like me, newbies don't use the search function, but instead just start a new thread...My comments come from years of experience with auto maintenance, my opinion may seem strong and if it does I'm sorry..I just know what I'm talking about at leastwhen it comes tooil.
And in the way of my fine British friends...
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01-05-2008, 09:09 PM
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RE: Oil CHange
No probs Dennis.........as you say, like a lot of other forums we have this regularly and for some reason, like tyres for example, it always really gets goin. Everybody has their own opinion on these things, some stronger than others.
Watch, it'll resurface in another few weeks time I'll bet....lol
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RE: Oil CHange
ORIGINAL: nineball
Also keep in mind you have to replace the fill plug/washer combo with each oil change according to Jaguar.
Also keep in mind you have to replace the fill plug/washer combo with each oil change according to Jaguar.
the washer can be bought at canadian tire for a few cents and that is all you need to change.. and even then, only every 2-3 oil changes.
jaguar has proven to me to be an entity that has no other interest than to take your money. If you want technical advice... you need to dig around.. even the message boards are full of people that are happy to part with their money.. no offence nineball on that- I am quoting you only re the drain plug.
#26
01-05-2008, 09:57 PM
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RE: Oil CHange
ORIGINAL: nineball
that is your opinion mate, not a fact.
ORIGINAL: Dennis
DINO oil is okay, but Synthetic is best.
DINO oil is okay, but Synthetic is best.
that is your opinion mate, not a fact.
#27
01-05-2008, 10:06 PM
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RE: Oil CHange
ORIGINAL: BuckMR2
In the handbook it says not to use Synthetic oil.
I queried this with Jaguar (UK) Customer services and this was their reply (bearing in mindmy handbook is 5 years old now):-
In the handbook it says not to use Synthetic oil.
I queried this with Jaguar (UK) Customer services and this was their reply (bearing in mindmy handbook is 5 years old now):-
Dear Sir
Thank you for contacting Jaguar Cars
Further to your enquiry.
Having been advised by our Technical Team the reasons for not using fully synthetic oil is that years ago fully synthetic oil would cause damage to the oil seals. This is no longer the case,mixing semi and fully synthetic oil will not cause any damage.
We do not recommend Semi or Fully. Both are equally as good as each other.
Thank you once again for contacting Jaguar Cars.
If we can be of any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us on freephone 0800 70 80 60, or by email on information@jaguar.co.uk.
Our customer information centre is open 8am-8pm Monday to Friday, 9am-6pm
Saturday and 10am-4pm on Sundays.
Yours sincerely
Susan Joyce
Jaguar Information
Thank you for contacting Jaguar Cars
Further to your enquiry.
Having been advised by our Technical Team the reasons for not using fully synthetic oil is that years ago fully synthetic oil would cause damage to the oil seals. This is no longer the case,mixing semi and fully synthetic oil will not cause any damage.
We do not recommend Semi or Fully. Both are equally as good as each other.
Thank you once again for contacting Jaguar Cars.
If we can be of any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us on freephone 0800 70 80 60, or by email on information@jaguar.co.uk.
Our customer information centre is open 8am-8pm Monday to Friday, 9am-6pm
Saturday and 10am-4pm on Sundays.
Yours sincerely
Susan Joyce
Jaguar Information
holy **** ... Jag X-type was the world leader in technology and had FIBRE OPTICS running half the electronics of the car and their technical response on motor oil was that?
I would take them like a mis behaving puppy dog and rub their noses in their own excrement. I cant even for a second believe the person that wrote that response actually gets paid for a living....
Jesus.... the whole thing about synthetics and oil seals is a piece of **** lie also. now some of you are talking about unfounded OPINIONS??? guys..... get your head out of the sand ...
god almighty... help us all...
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#33
01-06-2008, 02:28 AM
RE: Oil CHange
ORIGINAL: bojangles
have you lost your mind? it is clearly fact that synthetics perform better.... they are more expensive and designed for longer drain intervals but saying that is not a fact is absurd
ORIGINAL: nineball
that is your opinion mate, not a fact.
ORIGINAL: Dennis
DINO oil is okay, but Synthetic is best.
DINO oil is okay, but Synthetic is best.
that is your opinion mate, not a fact.
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01-06-2008, 04:56 AM
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#35
01-06-2008, 08:43 AM
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RE: Oil CHange
well if it costs more it must be better, right?
#36
01-06-2008, 09:00 AM
RE: Oil CHange
Isnt it great we have people like Dennis on this forum....someone who knows better than Jaguar even after allthe money,years of testing,technical problems that they overcame and development that Jag putinto their cars.Along comes Dennis who spends $20 odd each year on oil for his car who knows better than everyone else including Jaguar and states his opinions saying they are facts.Go figure
#39
01-06-2008, 11:23 AM
RE: Oil CHange
Fundamentals
To grasp this slippery subject, we first need to cover some fundamentals. Synthetic oils are a result of scientific manipulation of non-conventional fluids, but here the silk-or-polyester analogy stops. Synthetic oils are definitely not the equivalent of polyester leisure suits; in fact, they are generally priced three to four times that of conventional oil. And, more to the point, synthetics are an improvement over their conventional kin.
Let's break down the details of synthetics, and what makes them better. One definition of "synthetic" is big molecules built up from small ones. Like genetic engineers, the oil companies figured they could improve the performance of engine oil and eliminate some of the shortcomings in the laboratory.
In the simplest terms, the base stock of synthetics, polyalphaolefin (PAO) starts as ethylene gas, a simple two-carbon molecule that is built up to a 10-carbon molecule. Three of these super molecules are combined to form PAO, a base stock that offers a number of advantages over Mother Nature's version. Synthetics are more stable, flow at lower temperatures, are more resistant to boiling off, and less susceptible to oxidation, which causes thickening with prolonged high temperatures...aka SLUDGE.
The inherent element with crude stock for motor oil is the molecular construction. Conventional motor oil is a batch of short-chain and long-chair carbon and hydrogen atoms. In extreme heat, the short chains can evaporate and these unstable molecules oxidize and break down. In addition, contaminants and reactive and/or unstable hydrocarbons can sneak through the refining process. On the other hand, synthetics are better on a number of levels. They keep the engine cleaner through improved sludge and varnish protection, reduce engine wear at high temperatures with more stable viscosity, protect the engine when it's running under severe conditions at high temperatures, provide better cold-temperature starts with faster oil flow at ignition and improve fuel efficiency.
Myths
As with any new technology, there are a number of myths and advertising claims that need to be explored. Back in the late 1990s, the National Advertising Division (NAD) of the Council of Better Business Bureaus ruled that "synthetic" could be defined as the product of an intended chemical reaction.
As a result of this battle of semantics, the NAD, the Society of Automotive Engineers and the American Petroleum Institute ended up with broad interpretations of "synthetic." What that means to the layperson is this: if you want full synthetic or semi-synthetic or whatever, read the label to make sure you're getting what you want and what you think you're paying for.
One urban myth surrounding synthetic oil is its compatibility with conventional oil. At one time, those who switched from conventional to synthetics had to stick with synthetics—there was no going back. Synthetics expanded the seals in the engine; then, when conventional motor oil was used, that engine sprang multiple leaks.
Oil changes.
Thesynthetics do hold up longer than petroleum-based oils, but the additives in both wear out at the same rate. The oil companies have tested their synthetics for longevity, but they still recommend following the specific owner's manual for oil change intervals.
As for special oil filters or special disposal techniques for those who change their own oil, that's easy. You can use the same filter and follow the same disposal procedures that you would with conventional oils.
So, should you bite the bullet and fork over more money for synthetics? Sure, if you want to. If you are in a fully committed relationship with the car of your dreams, and have decided that car is worth the cost, spring for that Dom Perignon
Also this is a good read too.. http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/synthetic_vs_conventional_oil/index.html
To grasp this slippery subject, we first need to cover some fundamentals. Synthetic oils are a result of scientific manipulation of non-conventional fluids, but here the silk-or-polyester analogy stops. Synthetic oils are definitely not the equivalent of polyester leisure suits; in fact, they are generally priced three to four times that of conventional oil. And, more to the point, synthetics are an improvement over their conventional kin.
Let's break down the details of synthetics, and what makes them better. One definition of "synthetic" is big molecules built up from small ones. Like genetic engineers, the oil companies figured they could improve the performance of engine oil and eliminate some of the shortcomings in the laboratory.
In the simplest terms, the base stock of synthetics, polyalphaolefin (PAO) starts as ethylene gas, a simple two-carbon molecule that is built up to a 10-carbon molecule. Three of these super molecules are combined to form PAO, a base stock that offers a number of advantages over Mother Nature's version. Synthetics are more stable, flow at lower temperatures, are more resistant to boiling off, and less susceptible to oxidation, which causes thickening with prolonged high temperatures...aka SLUDGE.
The inherent element with crude stock for motor oil is the molecular construction. Conventional motor oil is a batch of short-chain and long-chair carbon and hydrogen atoms. In extreme heat, the short chains can evaporate and these unstable molecules oxidize and break down. In addition, contaminants and reactive and/or unstable hydrocarbons can sneak through the refining process. On the other hand, synthetics are better on a number of levels. They keep the engine cleaner through improved sludge and varnish protection, reduce engine wear at high temperatures with more stable viscosity, protect the engine when it's running under severe conditions at high temperatures, provide better cold-temperature starts with faster oil flow at ignition and improve fuel efficiency.
Myths
As with any new technology, there are a number of myths and advertising claims that need to be explored. Back in the late 1990s, the National Advertising Division (NAD) of the Council of Better Business Bureaus ruled that "synthetic" could be defined as the product of an intended chemical reaction.
As a result of this battle of semantics, the NAD, the Society of Automotive Engineers and the American Petroleum Institute ended up with broad interpretations of "synthetic." What that means to the layperson is this: if you want full synthetic or semi-synthetic or whatever, read the label to make sure you're getting what you want and what you think you're paying for.
One urban myth surrounding synthetic oil is its compatibility with conventional oil. At one time, those who switched from conventional to synthetics had to stick with synthetics—there was no going back. Synthetics expanded the seals in the engine; then, when conventional motor oil was used, that engine sprang multiple leaks.
Oil changes.
Thesynthetics do hold up longer than petroleum-based oils, but the additives in both wear out at the same rate. The oil companies have tested their synthetics for longevity, but they still recommend following the specific owner's manual for oil change intervals.
As for special oil filters or special disposal techniques for those who change their own oil, that's easy. You can use the same filter and follow the same disposal procedures that you would with conventional oils.
So, should you bite the bullet and fork over more money for synthetics? Sure, if you want to. If you are in a fully committed relationship with the car of your dreams, and have decided that car is worth the cost, spring for that Dom Perignon
Also this is a good read too.. http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/synthetic_vs_conventional_oil/index.html
#40
01-06-2008, 03:32 PM
RE: Oil CHange
Dennis, You are still missing the point!
Jaguar are not saying that synthetics arent any better than semi synths they are saying they dont specifically recommend either.YOU ARE NOTLISTENING OR UNDERSTANDING TOWHAT THEY ARE SAYING.You are assuming that they are saying Synthetics are crap.
PSRe Thelawnmower,You are assuming I have one.
Tsk Tsk Tsk...more wrong assumptions.
Jaguar are not saying that synthetics arent any better than semi synths they are saying they dont specifically recommend either.YOU ARE NOTLISTENING OR UNDERSTANDING TOWHAT THEY ARE SAYING.You are assuming that they are saying Synthetics are crap.
PSRe Thelawnmower,You are assuming I have one.
Tsk Tsk Tsk...more wrong assumptions.