P1646 & P1647 wiring issue
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My car is up and running with no engine light. When I scan codes I get these two P1646 & P1647. I have replaced both sensors with Bosch brand sensors (upstream) with information I found in these forums. The codes come back right away. Not even 5 seconds with the engine on and they appear in my scanner. I replaced them AGAIN with Denso brand and the two codes come back. I even tried Universal Bosch sensors that were made for wideband heated o2 and spliced them in extra connectors plugs.. The codes don't go away for a little bit, they literally come right when the key is forward.
I think I might need a wiring diagram, there might be an open somewhere? Help please.
I think I might need a wiring diagram, there might be an open somewhere? Help please.
Last edited by Gophat; 01-15-2023 at 11:03 AM.
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Vegaskid (01-19-2023)
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I understand something is wrong, but I have tried several sensors and brands and finally the light is off but the codes are still present. I have read that I may need several drive cycles.
I have cleared the codes several times but they stay logged. I don't want to change something if it is in a positive direction only to go backwards. I am still checking the wiring back to the ECM.
Is there another reason the MIL would stay off though these two codes are present?
I have cleared the codes several times but they stay logged. I don't want to change something if it is in a positive direction only to go backwards. I am still checking the wiring back to the ECM.
Is there another reason the MIL would stay off though these two codes are present?
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It will be off if they're pending codes. If you keep clearing codes they may next show as pending. If you stop clearing, usually they'd become actual (non-pending) codes, and then put the MIL on.
If youv'e changed the actual sensors then it's one of a few issues: wrong sensors (incompatible, for example), wrong location (e.g. downstream but should've changed upstream), bad wiring, relay/fuse fault.
PCM (aka ECM) is the very last suspect, as they'll take short circuits & worse without trouble. But water ingress is bad in case it's that!
If youv'e changed the actual sensors then it's one of a few issues: wrong sensors (incompatible, for example), wrong location (e.g. downstream but should've changed upstream), bad wiring, relay/fuse fault.
PCM (aka ECM) is the very last suspect, as they'll take short circuits & worse without trouble. But water ingress is bad in case it's that!
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h2o2steam (01-18-2023)
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I have P1646 as well. Not on the X-Type though, but on the X308 (XJ8). Just to be sure, I ordered all 4 oxygen sensors (up- & downstream). plus the special socket.
I am waiting for them to arrive, but I am already afraid, that it would not fix the P1646. Don wrote somewhere: The oxygen sensors are being blamed for a lot, but they are rarely at fault... You tried all kinds of brands of sensors now - I would not have gone that road. The fault must be somewhere else...
I am waiting for them to arrive, but I am already afraid, that it would not fix the P1646. Don wrote somewhere: The oxygen sensors are being blamed for a lot, but they are rarely at fault... You tried all kinds of brands of sensors now - I would not have gone that road. The fault must be somewhere else...
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Gophat (01-18-2023)
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I'm waiting for my second set of Denso to come in from a Jaguar vendor. While waiting for those, I was looking at the wiring and saw a bit of green in the female plug. I cleaned it and then peeled back the jacket off the wires. Corrosion. I flowed solder and put it all back together as close to oem as possible. I used the downstream sensor just to check the signal out the upstream with a temporary wire pin I had lying around. Code P1647 is gone. Working on P1646. Good luck. This job is so uncomfortable.
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JagV8 (01-20-2023)
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My car is up and running with no engine light. When I scan codes I get these two P1646 & P1647. I have replaced both sensors with Bosch brand sensors (upstream) with information I found in these forums. The codes come back right away. Not even 5 seconds with the engine on and they appear in my scanner. I replaced them AGAIN with Denso brand and the two codes come back. I even tried Universal Bosch sensors that were made for wideband heated o2 and spliced them in extra connectors plugs.. The codes don't go away for a little bit, they literally come right when the key is forward.
I think I might need a wiring diagram, there might be an open somewhere? Help please.
I think I might need a wiring diagram, there might be an open somewhere? Help please.
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Lights are Fue/Cat/02S/EVA! Im pretty sure Ive needed a Catalytic Converter for awhile now!
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Lights w P1646
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Question for those with a P1646 error or similar:
Do you by any chance also have some kind of rattling noise during the initial start of the day for about 5-10 seconds?
That is what I have on my X308. I tried to locate the source of the rattle, and my best guess is the cat.
So it could be that I have a cat issue and I have a P1646.
Thus, it would be good to know, if anybody else has a P1646 AND a rattle in the cat...
Do you by any chance also have some kind of rattling noise during the initial start of the day for about 5-10 seconds?
That is what I have on my X308. I tried to locate the source of the rattle, and my best guess is the cat.
So it could be that I have a cat issue and I have a P1646.
Thus, it would be good to know, if anybody else has a P1646 AND a rattle in the cat...
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