Want an x type? Expect repairs!
#41
I wanted a nice Ferrari 308, found a decent one...upkeep is just way too much. Last few Italian cars I owned were a Abarth Fiat 1969 Spyder, 84 Alfa Guiletta....was stationed in Italy.
We found a 80's Maserati Bi Turbo out here today cheap....LOL...
MASERATI 1984 BiTurbo
$795 and running. Would pick it up but have no more room for projects. Great deal though and an actual cheap to maintain car.
#42
Funny thing you mention that, we sa a 2006 Quattroporte for sale today, 16K....low miles but blown head gasket. Sitting in a trailer. Around 4-5K for the head gasket, and the plugs, service....insane. I wanted a nice Ferrari 308, found a decent one...upkeep is just way too much. Last few Italian cars I owned were a Abarth Fiat 1969 Spyder, 84 Alfa Guiletta....was stationed in Italy. We found a 80's Maserati Bi Turbo out here today cheap....LOL... MASERATI 1984 BiTurbo $795 and running. Would pick it up but have no more room for projects. Great deal though and an actual cheap to maintain car.
#43
FML !
#44
In my area that's one of the biggest setbacks with having a Jaguar. For starters, we are required to get an emissions test every two years and if you have a check engine light on you fail automatically regardless of the problem (I know, WTF!). And mechanics some places will do a full diagnostic at like $100 but if you fix the car with them they apply that fee to the overall cost; but here they charge for the diag completely separate from the repairs. Which is where the cost of the computer comes into play. There are very few mechanics that have the subscription to the Jaguar system, so those that do are able to charge as much as $200+ just to do a diag and give you an accurate quote.
FML !
FML !
The good thing with the X Type, compared to other Jags, is that there really isn't much complicated going on with its computer systems. Unlike S Type Rs and XJs that have electronically adjustable suspensions and CATS modules that give out a lot of the time.
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#45
The X Type is a great, affordable AWD alternative to a Subaru. Maintenance for it is really not that bad. I would compare the maintenance with that of a same year BMW 3 series. Most people get them used for a good price and high miles. With that, you probably need new breaks, battery, tires, filters....stuff like that. Normal wear and tear stuff just like belts. My Jag has 108K miles on it. Great winter car for what I paid for it.
#46
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#48
What I meant was, who is maintaining your car? If you're taking it to a dealer then you're having a $5k car maintained by a dealership that normally maintains $100k cars. The lawyers and doctors who own $100k cars aren't satisfied with anything less than a $1k invoice. Find yourself an independent mechanic who is prepared to fix it like the Ford it is.
Yes, and the dealership will do everything "by the book".
Case in point. I had a problem with my X-Type where the little metal flap on the lock didn't close leaving the lock open to the weather. The car was at the dealer for other warranty things and I asked them to look at it. You'd think that they would simply have tried spraying some WD-40 or graphite into the lock but no. They commissioned" a new lock assembly to be created back in England (there were no replacements in North America) and replaced the entire locking mechanism in the door. It took over 2 months for the part to be manufactured and shipped. It worked after that...
Bottom line, they won't "experiment" or try alternate repairs they will restore to new condition, period.
They don't want you coming back when their "fix" fails...
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Jaguar: Grace, Pace, and Space - Sir William Lyons
Case in point. I had a problem with my X-Type where the little metal flap on the lock didn't close leaving the lock open to the weather. The car was at the dealer for other warranty things and I asked them to look at it. You'd think that they would simply have tried spraying some WD-40 or graphite into the lock but no. They commissioned" a new lock assembly to be created back in England (there were no replacements in North America) and replaced the entire locking mechanism in the door. It took over 2 months for the part to be manufactured and shipped. It worked after that...
Bottom line, they won't "experiment" or try alternate repairs they will restore to new condition, period.
They don't want you coming back when their "fix" fails...
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Jaguar: Grace, Pace, and Space - Sir William Lyons
- My X-Type was complaining about a vacuum leak. He tried replacing a bunch of different sensors and seals, but the problem just kept getting worse instead of better; after $2,000+ and weeks of having it in and out of the shop, he gave up and told me to take it to the dealership. The dealership replaced a sensor and a seal, both of which he had already replaced, but the aftermarket parts he used just didn't work right. Yeah, the labor is far more expensive, but I would have saved myself half to two-thirds of what I spent if I had just gone to the dealership in the first place.
- Around the same time, my wife's Chrysler Pacifica had to have the motor mounts replaced (VERY common issue on Pacificas—the motor mounts pretty much break every 40,000 miles). After he replaced them, the car rattled and vibrated horribly, and he couldn't find any way to make it stop. So I took it to the dealership, they replaced his (solid rubber) aftermarket motor mounts with (gel-filled) OEM ones, and the car was back to being as smooth as silk.
On the overall topic of this post, my X-Type has had it's share of issues in the five years I have owned it, but it has generally been reliable, it is a beast in the snow, and the cost of the repairs it has needed has been quite reasonable.
Last edited by CarLuva; 02-13-2014 at 07:29 AM.
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#49
Mines a good one
My 2003 X type at 76000 miles has in it's entire life only needed
1 set of discs and pads all round at a total cost of £100.00
2 set of plugs £72.00
and normal service parts once a year and I have just had to repair/modify the drivers door lock as I could not open it from the outside took me about an hour
1 set of discs and pads all round at a total cost of £100.00
2 set of plugs £72.00
and normal service parts once a year and I have just had to repair/modify the drivers door lock as I could not open it from the outside took me about an hour
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#50
MASERATI 1984 BiTurbo
$795 and running. Would pick it up but have no more room for projects. Great deal though and an actual cheap to maintain car.
$795 and running. Would pick it up but have no more room for projects. Great deal though and an actual cheap to maintain car.
They are cheap and it probably doesn't make sense to restore them.
#51
I have to disagree with Tony_H and agree with pab. I took all of my cars to an independent mechanic for years. He was an honest, hard-working guy, and I have nothing against him. However, I had two experiences at around the same time that made me stop going to him for anything other than routine maintenance.
On the overall topic of this post, my X-Type has had it's share of issues in the five years I have owned it, but it has generally been reliable, it is a beast in the snow, and the cost of the repairs it has needed has been quite reasonable.
- My X-Type was complaining about a vacuum leak. He tried replacing a bunch of different sensors and seals, but the problem just kept getting worse instead of better; after $2,000+ and weeks of having it in and out of the shop, he gave up and told me to take it to the dealership. The dealership replaced a sensor and a seal, both of which he had already replaced, but the aftermarket parts he used just didn't work right. Yeah, the labor is far more expensive, but I would have saved myself half to two-thirds of what I spent if I had just gone to the dealership in the first place.
- Around the same time, my wife's Chrysler Pacifica had to have the motor mounts replaced (VERY common issue on Pacificas—the motor mounts pretty much break every 40,000 miles). After he replaced them, the car rattled and vibrated horribly, and he couldn't find any way to make it stop. So I took it to the dealership, they replaced his (solid rubber) aftermarket motor mounts with (gel-filled) OEM ones, and the car was back to being as smooth as silk.
On the overall topic of this post, my X-Type has had it's share of issues in the five years I have owned it, but it has generally been reliable, it is a beast in the snow, and the cost of the repairs it has needed has been quite reasonable.
Last edited by Tony_H; 02-13-2014 at 11:19 AM.
#52
Mine is a 2005, 2ltr. had it for 18mths 95,000 ks. List to date (major items only)
New alternator
New fuel pump
rotors & breaks
Both catalytic converters
Still have a popping sound but only when engine is hot, so still looking for an answer
Cost to date A$10,000 in repairs.
I am sure it will be worth it once we get the popping sound fixed (this problem has been there all along.
New alternator
New fuel pump
rotors & breaks
Both catalytic converters
Still have a popping sound but only when engine is hot, so still looking for an answer
Cost to date A$10,000 in repairs.
I am sure it will be worth it once we get the popping sound fixed (this problem has been there all along.
#54
So I have a 95 XJ6 4.0 NA. It has 291,000 miles. Lately it started leaking everything. In the past I've done the following work and it's in the shop now because the oil, and other, leaks got to the point where they had to be dealt with. The big one was the rear main seal. The others just dripped.
Catalytic converters $575
It's in the shop now. I'm not one to have old parts reinstalled if they are removed. Also since it's 19 years old some of it I'm just having done.
rear main seal
oil pan gasket
valve cover gasket
water pump
rack and pinion
Upper and lower ball joints
tie rod ends
wheel bearings
transmission mounts
engine mounts
Parts and labor $3645
Catalytic converters $575
It's in the shop now. I'm not one to have old parts reinstalled if they are removed. Also since it's 19 years old some of it I'm just having done.
rear main seal
oil pan gasket
valve cover gasket
water pump
rack and pinion
Upper and lower ball joints
tie rod ends
wheel bearings
transmission mounts
engine mounts
Parts and labor $3645
#55
Use OBD2 code reader.
#56
Sorry bud but you have no clue what you're talking about.. You need at least an SD2 to read a Maserati properly.
#57
Regardless guys, find a nice Indy mechanic. The X Type will do you well. Most of the parts are Ford. Hate to make the UK guys mad but it is probably the most affordable, dependable Jaguar you can own. Also...these things are cheap right now. You can find them for 5-6 grand every day. I would not really call it a luxury car....that actually killed the X Type as most Jag owners considered it cheap. I would call it a nice entry level Jag you can find used and reliable. If you buy one....and you take it to a Jag dealer for repairs......HAHAHHAHAA.
#58
Regardless guys, find a nice Indy mechanic. The X Type will do you well. Most of the parts are Ford. Hate to make the UK guys mad but it is probably the most affordable, dependable Jaguar you can own. Also...these things are cheap right now. You can find them for 5-6 grand every day. I would not really call it a luxury car....that actually killed the X Type as most Jag owners considered it cheap. I would call it a nice entry level Jag you can find used and reliable. If you buy one....and you take it to a Jag dealer for repairs......HAHAHHAHAA.
#59
You can diagnose most of sensors by $3 multi tester.
Find out manufacturer of Maserati computer system.
Last edited by car5car; 02-15-2014 at 06:40 AM.
#60
Anyway, I wasn't trying to pick a fight; I just felt like a word of caution was necessary.
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