X-Type Air Con Problems
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Hi I have a 2005 Jaguar X-Type Diesel Estate. A few months after I bought it and when the weather became warmer I found that the air con was not blowing cold. The garage I bought it from said something must have shot up from the road and damaged the mechanism / hose underneath causing the compressor to seize up. Anyone had this happen to them ? Thanks
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That sounds such a precise diagnosis you'd almost think they knew in advance.......of you buying the car!
Thermo will have a much better handle on this than me but I'd expect an X-Type compressor isn't going to be a low cost item.
Based in Southport, Lancashire, you may want to try sourcing a guaranteed used item from one of the specialist UK Jaguar breakers.
Graham
Thermo will have a much better handle on this than me but I'd expect an X-Type compressor isn't going to be a low cost item.
Based in Southport, Lancashire, you may want to try sourcing a guaranteed used item from one of the specialist UK Jaguar breakers.
Graham
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Thermo, How likely is it that something comes up from the ground and damages the hose? Is it more likely that the garage did not know the hose was damaged and this caused the compressor to fail? I am trying to be open minded. Naturally I would never use your opinion to the garage. As a non mechanic I feel vulnerable.
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From trying to read between the lines; have they already checked and confirmed that to be the cause of the issue?
When the weathers got warmer here, I noticed that my aircon was only blowing cold air to the front passenger side (right side here). I think I've heard/read that when the coolant fluid stuff level gets low, it first stops working on one side and then very soon after on the other. Got mine filled up (for 29€!
), there was only 340g of the necessary 810g of the stuff remaining. Has been running perfectly well after that.
I've heard that the loss of fluid from the system may be up to 15% per year, though I took that figure with a grain of propaganda salt. However, seeing how mine was missing 60% of it, I consider it likely that the original owner never had it checked/filled during the 11 years they had the car.
When the weathers got warmer here, I noticed that my aircon was only blowing cold air to the front passenger side (right side here). I think I've heard/read that when the coolant fluid stuff level gets low, it first stops working on one side and then very soon after on the other. Got mine filled up (for 29€!
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I've heard that the loss of fluid from the system may be up to 15% per year, though I took that figure with a grain of propaganda salt. However, seeing how mine was missing 60% of it, I consider it likely that the original owner never had it checked/filled during the 11 years they had the car.
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Fredd77, I can believe something may have come up and damaged a hose. It was the item coming up and killing the compressor that I was throwing the flag on. The compressor is essentially a big block of metal. For something to strike that and damage it, that would have been one hell of a hit.
Unfortunately, I have to take their word for it right now. Most good shops will pull you into the garage to show you the damage. See if the shop will do that for you. I think you can recognize if a hose has been ripped/had a hole put in it. You can also have them remove the belt off of the compressor. You should be able to put your hand on the pulley and rotate it by hand and it rotate quietly. If you can not rotate it or it makes some grinding noise, then odds are the compressor is shot.
Unfortunately, if it is the compressor that is shot, this is not going to be a cheap fix.
Unfortunately, I have to take their word for it right now. Most good shops will pull you into the garage to show you the damage. See if the shop will do that for you. I think you can recognize if a hose has been ripped/had a hole put in it. You can also have them remove the belt off of the compressor. You should be able to put your hand on the pulley and rotate it by hand and it rotate quietly. If you can not rotate it or it makes some grinding noise, then odds are the compressor is shot.
Unfortunately, if it is the compressor that is shot, this is not going to be a cheap fix.
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Maybe, like me, you've just lost refrigerant. There's a pressure switch that stops the compressor clutch engaging if that happens so it won't run dry + burn out.
There's a relay (don't know where on an X type) you can jumper to see if that's the problem, you should hear the compressor kick in.
Chris is right - you'd have to shoot the compressor to damage it.
There's a relay (don't know where on an X type) you can jumper to see if that's the problem, you should hear the compressor kick in.
Chris is right - you'd have to shoot the compressor to damage it.
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Bought an Xtype estate 2005 2.0 diesel this Feb - great car apart from the air con. When the weather started to warm up I noticed the air con was not working - paid to have the compressor replaced becuase I was advised a stone had damaged it.
Then a week later it stopped working. Garage replaced the fuse - ok for a day then stopped again. Garage advised me that they could not trace the fault and I would have to replace the wiring loom.
Decided to leave it because of the costs so the Air Con system has now been disabled.
Anyone else had this problem and found a cheaper solution that replacing the wiring loom?
Thanks
Then a week later it stopped working. Garage replaced the fuse - ok for a day then stopped again. Garage advised me that they could not trace the fault and I would have to replace the wiring loom.
Decided to leave it because of the costs so the Air Con system has now been disabled.
Anyone else had this problem and found a cheaper solution that replacing the wiring loom?
Thanks
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Not really enough info to be able to diagnose yet!! First, I would suggest you check Fuses 45 -10A, F49 - 10A, F39 - 10A and F37 - 30A, all in the glove box fuse panel. Then some questions; Is it Manual A/C or Climate Control? With whichever of those it is, switched on, do the red LEDs on the switches light up? If CC, does it show the right External Temperature? Does the blower blow and vary speed if the control knob is turned? Des the Recirc button have any obvious effect on air output?
Under the bonnet/hood with the engine running, does the centre of the compressor pulley rotate when A/C is on and stop when A/C is switched off? (The compressor is the lowest and furthest forward of the various drives off the belt.) In the rear righthand corner of the engine compartment, does one of the two alloy pipes there go icy cold with A/C on?
Finally, is it possible for you to get the Fault Codes read using a Jaguar enabled diagnostic system? Your problem has almost certainly thrown a code, but a basic scanner won't pick it up, it being Jaguar specific.
Under the bonnet/hood with the engine running, does the centre of the compressor pulley rotate when A/C is on and stop when A/C is switched off? (The compressor is the lowest and furthest forward of the various drives off the belt.) In the rear righthand corner of the engine compartment, does one of the two alloy pipes there go icy cold with A/C on?
Finally, is it possible for you to get the Fault Codes read using a Jaguar enabled diagnostic system? Your problem has almost certainly thrown a code, but a basic scanner won't pick it up, it being Jaguar specific.
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Fredd77 I've merged in Astromorgs helpful reply from your duplicate thread.
If I understand correctly that's three compressors you've got through?
If so it obviously isn't the compressor.
I don't see how it can be the wiring - that only activates the compressor clutch (see astromorg's post)
What state was the refrigerant in when these compressors died?
AS I said in post #9 there's a pressure switch which stops the compressor engaging if you've got no refrigerant - and thus lubricant.
If this is stuck closed your compressor will run dry and burn out.
If I understand correctly that's three compressors you've got through?
If so it obviously isn't the compressor.
I don't see how it can be the wiring - that only activates the compressor clutch (see astromorg's post)
What state was the refrigerant in when these compressors died?
AS I said in post #9 there's a pressure switch which stops the compressor engaging if you've got no refrigerant - and thus lubricant.
If this is stuck closed your compressor will run dry and burn out.
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Had a problem with my air con few months ago on Diesel X Type 2005, pulley was shot bearings had gone causing it to overheat and seize, so replaced it at local garage with a used unit, been working great for almost 12 months then suddenly started blowing the clutch fuse, I replaced fuse a couple of times and it worked fine for a while then blew, just found the cause to be wiring harness resting on pulley sliced into it causing fuse to blow, it hadn't been fastened back to the bracket out of harms way. so repaired loom fastened out of way to bracket and all good again, just thought Id mention this as its an easy fix to sort out if your having similar problems.
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Hello everybody.
Similar problem as mentioned by paleface. The air conditioning was working well but suddently stops cooling and a rubber smell entered into the cabin. Ignition battery light turned and went on up to the engne was stopped. After the engine was turned on again the battery light worked as usual did. What do you think?
Similar problem as mentioned by paleface. The air conditioning was working well but suddently stops cooling and a rubber smell entered into the cabin. Ignition battery light turned and went on up to the engne was stopped. After the engine was turned on again the battery light worked as usual did. What do you think?
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