X-type as a winter car
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X-type as a winter car
I dont want do go through another winter in a rear-wheel drive convertable, so I am looking for a AWD winter car.
The obvious choice would be a subaru or an Audi, but I really would like do drive something with a little more personallity. I was thinking about a 2003 2.5 with 60-70k miles on it. I will be driving 2000miles/year or less, mainly during winter.
I have a few questions:
Is manual or automatic better in ice and snow?
How is the maintenace cost compared with a similar aged/milage Audi A4 quattro?
The obvious choice would be a subaru or an Audi, but I really would like do drive something with a little more personallity. I was thinking about a 2003 2.5 with 60-70k miles on it. I will be driving 2000miles/year or less, mainly during winter.
I have a few questions:
Is manual or automatic better in ice and snow?
How is the maintenace cost compared with a similar aged/milage Audi A4 quattro?
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You will have more control with a manual.I know what a 320SE Auto rear wheel drive BMW is like in the snow.Sometimes had to reverse up roads covered in snow when I used to work shifts and was travelling to work on virgin snow at 5am in the BMW and couldnt get uphill in the snow.Not so bad on way home after other cars and gritters had cleared the road.
My next service is the big 70k (plugs,coolant,oil)(probably next March).Cost £150 all inc of labour and inc parts and dealer stamp in the book,but then one of the members of another forum who I used to upgrade to cruise control is a Jag Master Technician at a dealership 90 minutes from me
My next service is the big 70k (plugs,coolant,oil)(probably next March).Cost £150 all inc of labour and inc parts and dealer stamp in the book,but then one of the members of another forum who I used to upgrade to cruise control is a Jag Master Technician at a dealership 90 minutes from me
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It is hard to say what is better in snow.. I like the manual for the fun factor.. and I LOVE 4 wheel drifting in the snow..
But if you are more cautious.... the auto tranny is definetly a point and shoot kinda car. easy to drive and probably equally fast along a back road session in the snow.
Choose the manual because you like it .. not for extra performance.
Maintenace cost so far for me looks high compared to the competition. more failures.. and the parts are more $$ than for BMW or Audi. dont forget to factor in depreciation.. I think this will be a killer.
THe Jag should be excellent in the snow.. with the rear torque bias, and if you get an older car it has the viscous coupling . I hear the new ones are eliminated.
The VC is critical if you want the max winter performance. I think the jag is a bit heavy for being totally tossable, but well balanced.
FOr sure when you put any 4wd car in the ditch it always goes way farther in the ditch.. but dont blame the car it is a driver problem.
But if you are more cautious.... the auto tranny is definetly a point and shoot kinda car. easy to drive and probably equally fast along a back road session in the snow.
Choose the manual because you like it .. not for extra performance.
Maintenace cost so far for me looks high compared to the competition. more failures.. and the parts are more $$ than for BMW or Audi. dont forget to factor in depreciation.. I think this will be a killer.
THe Jag should be excellent in the snow.. with the rear torque bias, and if you get an older car it has the viscous coupling . I hear the new ones are eliminated.
The VC is critical if you want the max winter performance. I think the jag is a bit heavy for being totally tossable, but well balanced.
FOr sure when you put any 4wd car in the ditch it always goes way farther in the ditch.. but dont blame the car it is a driver problem.
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I wasn't aware they eliminated the viscous center differential, not according to Edmunds at least. That's where I got my info when I was shopping. []
Definitely go for the automatic. I came from a manual Saab 93, and living in Pittsburgh with snow and lots and lots of ice isn't fun with a manual. Even though the car was front-wheel drive, I had a hard time with the clutch starting from zero. And now, living in DC, I'm even happier to have an automatic (jag that is;-) with all the traffic madness of I-66 and 495. Even though snow and ice seem to be less frequent down here, I still wanted AWD for peace of mind, especially on road trips to visit family in winter.
Definitely go for the automatic. I came from a manual Saab 93, and living in Pittsburgh with snow and lots and lots of ice isn't fun with a manual. Even though the car was front-wheel drive, I had a hard time with the clutch starting from zero. And now, living in DC, I'm even happier to have an automatic (jag that is;-) with all the traffic madness of I-66 and 495. Even though snow and ice seem to be less frequent down here, I still wanted AWD for peace of mind, especially on road trips to visit family in winter.
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I am not totally convinced about the VC being dropped. THe service manager at my local dealer told me this the other day.
He said that was part of the big price drop but i see US write ups that claim the VC is there still.
IF anyone has the car up in the air you can check by trying to turn just one front wheel, parking brake on, and trans in Neutral. You need a helper to hold the other front wheel still, if there is a VC there will be resistance to turning just one wheel.
Alternatively, you can release the handbrake and see if the rear wheels turn when you turn the front ones.. ( same direction. )
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He said that was part of the big price drop but i see US write ups that claim the VC is there still.
IF anyone has the car up in the air you can check by trying to turn just one front wheel, parking brake on, and trans in Neutral. You need a helper to hold the other front wheel still, if there is a VC there will be resistance to turning just one wheel.
Alternatively, you can release the handbrake and see if the rear wheels turn when you turn the front ones.. ( same direction. )
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from my experience with a Manual transmission Honda Prelude (FWD) in the winter
(i now drive a Ford Explorer Sport 4x4)
Compared to my Mom's Current Automatic Acura Integra GS (FWD)
The initial take off on snow or ice from a stop seems to be a bit easier in the auto because it is harder to give it too much throttle and spin the tire unless you really arent paying attention
after that the manual seems to be much better for control because for the most part,
on FWD vehicles the back end comes out when lifting off the throttle and not braking becuase the fornt end hsa engine braking occurring and the rear has more enertia.
with a manual it is much easier to control becuase if you dont want throttle or brakes, you can simply put the clutch in and the back end wont come out nearly as easily.
As for the fun to drive factor, the manual is much easier to control drifts and better to play with.
Now with 4wd and AWD vehicles, in auto transmission engine breaking will not cause the back end to come out because all 4 wheels will have the same effect
so really the auto COULD be safer but take off is about the same, i however would choose the manual because it is more fun to drive,
and it wont shift when you dont want it to for example going up a hill and the auto down shifts when you are not expecting can equate to loss of control,
the manual will obviously not do this.
So there are ups and downs
but you can actually control almost everything with a manual and this can be safer in the long run.
Bottom line you can either control what it does or react to what it wants to do and try to control that.
(i now drive a Ford Explorer Sport 4x4)
Compared to my Mom's Current Automatic Acura Integra GS (FWD)
The initial take off on snow or ice from a stop seems to be a bit easier in the auto because it is harder to give it too much throttle and spin the tire unless you really arent paying attention
after that the manual seems to be much better for control because for the most part,
on FWD vehicles the back end comes out when lifting off the throttle and not braking becuase the fornt end hsa engine braking occurring and the rear has more enertia.
with a manual it is much easier to control becuase if you dont want throttle or brakes, you can simply put the clutch in and the back end wont come out nearly as easily.
As for the fun to drive factor, the manual is much easier to control drifts and better to play with.
Now with 4wd and AWD vehicles, in auto transmission engine breaking will not cause the back end to come out because all 4 wheels will have the same effect
so really the auto COULD be safer but take off is about the same, i however would choose the manual because it is more fun to drive,
and it wont shift when you dont want it to for example going up a hill and the auto down shifts when you are not expecting can equate to loss of control,
the manual will obviously not do this.
So there are ups and downs
but you can actually control almost everything with a manual and this can be safer in the long run.
Bottom line you can either control what it does or react to what it wants to do and try to control that.
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lol silly.....I suppose if you have the right tires it will help....of course I used to think like you last year when we had 4 inches of snow....said to myself, this AWD sheeeet is da bomb like yo and all.....till she broke traction and did 3-360's and nailed the curb......hey only 3k in damges.....this year...big snow tires and no AWD for me bs .....
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I drove mine for the first time in snow here in Michigan about 2 mondays ago and I was astonished at first. I say at first because as soon as I turned off the traction control the car is TOTALLY DIFFERENT!!! With the tc off this car is FUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNN! Seriously though make sure the one you get has traction control. If from a stop I floored the car with tc on the car just went straight down the road straight as an arrow but turning it off the car was totally rear wheel drive. I have yet to drive it consistently her in Michigan as are temps have been in the 50's. The abs in this car sucks! At least thus far it has as I said this is the first time I've ever used it. My 94 bonneville I had with almost 200,000 miles had a better abs system. But this car is going to be awesome in the winter. Like they all said though without good tires 20 wheel drived or on a motorcycle without good tires nothing matters. My toyo tires that came on my car aren't very good snow tires. I went to belle tire this week and they want about 650-700 bucks for a pair of dunlop snow tires. They were very nice tires but I'd rather take it easy get another 15,000 miles out of the tires I have and buy a set of rims and tires for 1400. If you don't mind me asking why are you stuck on this Jag that has that many miles? Hopefully your getting a good deal on it otherwise look at everything out there!
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