35t Center Resonator Delete: Worth Every Penny!
#61
Reviving this old thread to add my experience and ask for some next-step guidance.
For reference: 35t with VAP crank pulley + tune, pops and crackles, stock exhaust-- went to the shop this morning to delete center resonators and the guy recommended replacing the mid-muffler with an x-pipe, as well. Unlike @Optijack, I did not install custom resonators back.
Results:
- The volume increase is MASSIVE. Cold starts and revving under 3K maintains the deep tone with much more growl and presence.
- Pops and crackles (built into the tune) are now audible on from 3K to 2K rpm with a nice deep tone. Pops and crackles from 5K to 3K are very loud... in a good way? Very subjective.
- When pushing to redline the volume and higher pitch makes the car scream.
- No perceptible drone whatsoever. I got a good amount of highway driving, coasting at various speeds.
- If driven lightly, mid-throttle under 3- 3.5K, car remains quiet enough to no give the neighbors tinnitus.
Issues:
- right at around 3.1-3.2K I have VERY bad rasp, to the point where it's annoying and kills the rest of the experience I think. It goes away and comes back briefly right before 5K. From 5K up it just screams in a good way.
The shop is willing to put the mid muffler back in at no charge. I am wondering, however, if adding resonators to the X-pipe would fix that ugly rasp, or if I should just put the mid-muffler back in and leave the res-delete as is. I'll try to capture some video for reference, though I would appreciate some feedback/knowledge.
For reference: 35t with VAP crank pulley + tune, pops and crackles, stock exhaust-- went to the shop this morning to delete center resonators and the guy recommended replacing the mid-muffler with an x-pipe, as well. Unlike @Optijack, I did not install custom resonators back.
Results:
- The volume increase is MASSIVE. Cold starts and revving under 3K maintains the deep tone with much more growl and presence.
- Pops and crackles (built into the tune) are now audible on from 3K to 2K rpm with a nice deep tone. Pops and crackles from 5K to 3K are very loud... in a good way? Very subjective.
- When pushing to redline the volume and higher pitch makes the car scream.
- No perceptible drone whatsoever. I got a good amount of highway driving, coasting at various speeds.
- If driven lightly, mid-throttle under 3- 3.5K, car remains quiet enough to no give the neighbors tinnitus.
Issues:
- right at around 3.1-3.2K I have VERY bad rasp, to the point where it's annoying and kills the rest of the experience I think. It goes away and comes back briefly right before 5K. From 5K up it just screams in a good way.
The shop is willing to put the mid muffler back in at no charge. I am wondering, however, if adding resonators to the X-pipe would fix that ugly rasp, or if I should just put the mid-muffler back in and leave the res-delete as is. I'll try to capture some video for reference, though I would appreciate some feedback/knowledge.
#62
For what its worth, I was very happy with just the resonator delete. Very quiet at Idle. Nice roars in the underpasses with the roof open. Lots of crackles and pops, without a specific tune for that reason...
Although there were plenty of x-pipe options, I chose not to do one based on the fact the V6 engine does not benefit much from exhaust "pulse balancing" like the V8 usually does, due to the more even firing order I think....also adds rasp.
Needless to say every muffler deleted will increase noise, including some unwanted noise in many cases. Easy to overdo IMHO.
Although there were plenty of x-pipe options, I chose not to do one based on the fact the V6 engine does not benefit much from exhaust "pulse balancing" like the V8 usually does, due to the more even firing order I think....also adds rasp.
Needless to say every muffler deleted will increase noise, including some unwanted noise in many cases. Easy to overdo IMHO.
Reviving this old thread to add my experience and ask for some next-step guidance.
For reference: 35t with VAP crank pulley + tune, pops and crackles, stock exhaust-- went to the shop this morning to delete center resonators and the guy recommended replacing the mid-muffler with an x-pipe, as well. Unlike @Optijack, I did not install custom resonators back.
Results:
- The volume increase is MASSIVE. Cold starts and revving under 3K maintains the deep tone with much more growl and presence.
- Pops and crackles (built into the tune) are now audible on from 3K to 2K rpm with a nice deep tone. Pops and crackles from 5K to 3K are very loud... in a good way? Very subjective.
- When pushing to redline the volume and higher pitch makes the car scream.
- No perceptible drone whatsoever. I got a good amount of highway driving, coasting at various speeds.
- If driven lightly, mid-throttle under 3- 3.5K, car remains quiet enough to no give the neighbors tinnitus.
Issues:
- right at around 3.1-3.2K I have VERY bad rasp, to the point where it's annoying and kills the rest of the experience I think. It goes away and comes back briefly right before 5K. From 5K up it just screams in a good way.
The shop is willing to put the mid muffler back in at no charge. I am wondering, however, if adding resonators to the X-pipe would fix that ugly rasp, or if I should just put the mid-muffler back in and leave the res-delete as is. I'll try to capture some video for reference, though I would appreciate some feedback/knowledge.
For reference: 35t with VAP crank pulley + tune, pops and crackles, stock exhaust-- went to the shop this morning to delete center resonators and the guy recommended replacing the mid-muffler with an x-pipe, as well. Unlike @Optijack, I did not install custom resonators back.
Results:
- The volume increase is MASSIVE. Cold starts and revving under 3K maintains the deep tone with much more growl and presence.
- Pops and crackles (built into the tune) are now audible on from 3K to 2K rpm with a nice deep tone. Pops and crackles from 5K to 3K are very loud... in a good way? Very subjective.
- When pushing to redline the volume and higher pitch makes the car scream.
- No perceptible drone whatsoever. I got a good amount of highway driving, coasting at various speeds.
- If driven lightly, mid-throttle under 3- 3.5K, car remains quiet enough to no give the neighbors tinnitus.
Issues:
- right at around 3.1-3.2K I have VERY bad rasp, to the point where it's annoying and kills the rest of the experience I think. It goes away and comes back briefly right before 5K. From 5K up it just screams in a good way.
The shop is willing to put the mid muffler back in at no charge. I am wondering, however, if adding resonators to the X-pipe would fix that ugly rasp, or if I should just put the mid-muffler back in and leave the res-delete as is. I'll try to capture some video for reference, though I would appreciate some feedback/knowledge.
Last edited by Austin7; 11-07-2020 at 08:05 AM.
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#65
You will have no issues with resonator delete. The sound improves greatly but the affect your system is benign. Well worth the mod. It will not increase your pops and crackles, but it you have pops and crackles, they are much louder. Ad the VAP tune and you will be in heaven.
#66
Question on what was replaced
Hi Guys,
For a while now I've been thinking about deleting the two center resonators on my XE. I posted a few times about it with some speculation as to what the effects would be.
Well, I finally bit the bullet. I had a shop do cut them out and weld in straight pipe.
Here is a summary of the effects:
Overall, I am extremely pleased. And it only cost me $120.
I think this is how the car was meant to sound from the factory, to be honest. I would guess the resonators were there simply to differentiate the XE and the F-type tonally (JLR don't want the XE stealing the F-types thunder!).
If there are any forum members with a V6 F-type in the Austin area, send me a PM. I'd love to do a side-by-side comparison on video for the forum. I'd wager they sound almost identical with this mod.
Video to follow shortly!
Cheers
For a while now I've been thinking about deleting the two center resonators on my XE. I posted a few times about it with some speculation as to what the effects would be.
Well, I finally bit the bullet. I had a shop do cut them out and weld in straight pipe.
Here is a summary of the effects:
- Significant increase in volume (it will turn heads)
- Significant increase in rasp/growl. When you shift gears at the higher rev range under load, you get this nice crackly raspy sound. Just amazing.
- A decent increase in crackles/pops. I think these were there always, and deleting the resonators has the effect of making them louder/more noticeable. Especially if you let off in the higher rev range, the pops are LOUD.
- Literally ZERO drone. Absolutely none. In fact, when cruising on the highway, I doubt there is a perceptible difference in the stock exhaust and the exhaust without resonators.
Overall, I am extremely pleased. And it only cost me $120.
I think this is how the car was meant to sound from the factory, to be honest. I would guess the resonators were there simply to differentiate the XE and the F-type tonally (JLR don't want the XE stealing the F-types thunder!).
If there are any forum members with a V6 F-type in the Austin area, send me a PM. I'd love to do a side-by-side comparison on video for the forum. I'd wager they sound almost identical with this mod.
Video to follow shortly!
Cheers
#67
Not sure if @alphakinase is still active -- but I can verify that is all you need to do... and if that's all you are going to do to the exhaust you should like it. What I mean specifically, is that the resonator delete worked/sounded great however, once I put on VelocityAP's high flow catalytic converters it sounded pretty awful, especially when WOT which I may or may not do often... Fortunately I kept & was able to have the resonators put back in and all was good again.
And as a PSA... don't leave the pops/crackles tune on for extended periods... each of the guys that worked on my exhaust over the last couple of years have shared that's a great way to melt your catalytic converters and likely why I had to swap stock for VAP's in the first place.
And as a PSA... don't leave the pops/crackles tune on for extended periods... each of the guys that worked on my exhaust over the last couple of years have shared that's a great way to melt your catalytic converters and likely why I had to swap stock for VAP's in the first place.
#69
#70
I will at some point put the resonators back on to see if that kills the drone. Sharing just in case you decide to go this route. Definitely leave the resonators in if you remove rear mufflers. I am not sure if they will drone, and if they do, the resonators might not be able to subdue it enough.
You could always just remove the mufflers and test it out yourself-- 1 hose clamp and two rubber hangers on each side.
#71
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#74
What about echeck?
Could you go get one done to see if it still passes? I have to get one every other year and I'd be curious if this will affect that or not. I know not having a catalytic converter is I THINK an auto fail. Or at least it will be hard to pass without one. In ohio
Could you go get one done to see if it still passes? I have to get one every other year and I'd be curious if this will affect that or not. I know not having a catalytic converter is I THINK an auto fail. Or at least it will be hard to pass without one. In ohio
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#77
Clamp to clamp, no.5 removes. Fabricate a X pipe to replace the centre muffler. Custom 2 shorter resonator on 2.5in ss pipe.
The original no.5 mid section.
X pipe replacing the centre muffler.
Custom 2 resonator.
Well done job! I did my exhaust the other day. I didn’t want to cut my mid section, so I got the specialist to fabricate the whole mid section. I removed the centre muffler and replaced it with a X pipe, and custom 2 resonator in. Achieved higher pitch at high rev like the FTYPE v6, I’ll come back with the video clip to share. Here’s some photo of it.
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