Coolant leak dealer estimate 4k
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Coolant leak dealer estimate 4k
Hi Guys,
Went in for my usual 50k service and the dealer has suggested the following things for coolant leak
Replace coolant manifold (Found Coolant manifold leaking) $839.76
Replace Y-Pipes (Found Coolant manifold leaking) $2,139.24
water pump (Found Coolant manifold leaking) $1,375.93
Out of which the extended warranty is covering the water pump.
Does this look ok to you guys?
Also, a coolant leak was detected a year back which they fixed. Its surprising its happening again
Thanks!
Went in for my usual 50k service and the dealer has suggested the following things for coolant leak
Replace coolant manifold (Found Coolant manifold leaking) $839.76
Replace Y-Pipes (Found Coolant manifold leaking) $2,139.24
water pump (Found Coolant manifold leaking) $1,375.93
Out of which the extended warranty is covering the water pump.
Does this look ok to you guys?
Also, a coolant leak was detected a year back which they fixed. Its surprising its happening again
Thanks!
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I would be querying why only the water pump is covered, and also a breakdown of the costs, If this is a Jaguar main agent they are obliged to use parts supplied by Jaguar, at Jaguar prices, but they are also obliged to keep to Jaguar times for the job. Main agents have the highest labour rates as you no doubt already know,
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I would be querying why only the water pump is covered, and also a breakdown of the costs, If this is a Jaguar main agent they are obliged to use parts supplied by Jaguar, at Jaguar prices, but they are also obliged to keep to Jaguar times for the job. Main agents have the highest labour rates as you no doubt already know,
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What are the symptons of the coolant leak?
Presumably, as this was apparently noticed by the dealer only when you took the car in for a routine service, you'd not yourself noticed a leak, drop in expansion tank coolant level or overheating?
In which case I would ask the dealer what synp[tons of a coolant leak he has found. It does to me sound like a dealer trying to talk-up work required.
Presumably, as this was apparently noticed by the dealer only when you took the car in for a routine service, you'd not yourself noticed a leak, drop in expansion tank coolant level or overheating?
In which case I would ask the dealer what synp[tons of a coolant leak he has found. It does to me sound like a dealer trying to talk-up work required.
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Hi again Prados,
1. Can you specify if your '15 is under a 6 or 7 year CPO / 100k Jaguar Warranty or a 3rd party like Endurance or Carshield?
If 3rd, which company?
2. Or if still under the last few months of the original 60month/60k mile Warranty?
3. Which engine does your x250 have?
1. Can you specify if your '15 is under a 6 or 7 year CPO / 100k Jaguar Warranty or a 3rd party like Endurance or Carshield?
If 3rd, which company?
2. Or if still under the last few months of the original 60month/60k mile Warranty?
3. Which engine does your x250 have?
Last edited by F1Virginia; 05-25-2021 at 07:55 PM.
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The crossover pipes are a big job, but the water pump is dead simple to replace (although maybe I've gotten way too much practice). If I can do a water pump in 3 hours, they can do it in one. If the warranty doesn't cover something you need to stay far away from the Jaguar dealer, because they're going to do it in an hour and charge you five or whatever the "book" says.
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F1Virginia (05-26-2021)
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No, I'd have him beat by at least nine months and I don't think I was first. I'm pretty sure I read of at least one before me. However, I suspect its not the pump at fault as the issue still persists after eight revisions. Rather I think there's something else about the design of the cooling system and the pump shaft seal is simply the weakest lock in the jail.
The crossover pipes are a big job, but the water pump is dead simple to replace (although maybe I've gotten way too much practice). If I can do a water pump in 3 hours, they can do it in one. If the warranty doesn't cover something you need to stay far away from the Jaguar dealer, because they're going to do it in an hour and charge you five or whatever the "book" says.
The crossover pipes are a big job, but the water pump is dead simple to replace (although maybe I've gotten way too much practice). If I can do a water pump in 3 hours, they can do it in one. If the warranty doesn't cover something you need to stay far away from the Jaguar dealer, because they're going to do it in an hour and charge you five or whatever the "book" says.
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Prados,
Any Jag dealer can run your VIN and tell you the warranty end date; either original 60 or cpo 100.
My bovine fecal antennae go up whenever "wholesale system replacements" are suggested.
Especially to fix a single, unseen leak.
In fact, whereas only the pump itself ( $243 ) is presumed covered, this throws a huge flag, imho.
Any Jag dealer can run your VIN and tell you the warranty end date; either original 60 or cpo 100.
My bovine fecal antennae go up whenever "wholesale system replacements" are suggested.
Especially to fix a single, unseen leak.
In fact, whereas only the pump itself ( $243 ) is presumed covered, this throws a huge flag, imho.
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However, in this case, we have plenty of anecdotal evidence to support the working theory that PA66 Nylon material that much of the recommended tubes and pipes are made from is softened over time and accelerated with heat by the corrosion inhibitor 2-ethylhexanoic acid in the DexCool. Its six years old now and by ten you're driving around with a vial of nitro glycerin strapped to every pipe and just waiting to hit a big enough bump. If its got a lot of miles on it too, then they actually might be giving some good preventative maintenance advice. It just sounded to me like they looked up the book times to replace each item individually and added them up, but really, they can do all of it much more efficiently. For instance, they don't have to drain and refill the cooling system three times but they were quoting him for that.
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F1Virginia (06-02-2021)
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Mechanics in general know that 99 out of 100 customers have absolutely no idea how an engine works or any other system of the car and that they can usually get away with saying anything. And further, that 85 out of the 99 will just say "go ahead" because they just want their car back ASAP and don't want to spend time to take it to another place for a second opinion. That's why its important to find a good, honest indy mechanic that you can trust or better yet, learn to DIY after your Jaguar (or any car really) is out of warranty.
However, in this case, we have plenty of anecdotal evidence to support the working theory that PA66 Nylon material that much of the recommended tubes and pipes are made from is softened over time and accelerated with heat by the corrosion inhibitor 2-ethylhexanoic acid in the DexCool. Its six years old now and by ten you're driving around with a vial of nitro glycerin strapped to every pipe and just waiting to hit a big enough bump. If its got a lot of miles on it too, then they actually might be giving some good preventative maintenance advice. It just sounded to me like they looked up the book times to replace each item individually and added them up, but really, they can do all of it much more efficiently. For instance, they don't have to drain and refill the cooling system three times but they were quoting him for that.
However, in this case, we have plenty of anecdotal evidence to support the working theory that PA66 Nylon material that much of the recommended tubes and pipes are made from is softened over time and accelerated with heat by the corrosion inhibitor 2-ethylhexanoic acid in the DexCool. Its six years old now and by ten you're driving around with a vial of nitro glycerin strapped to every pipe and just waiting to hit a big enough bump. If its got a lot of miles on it too, then they actually might be giving some good preventative maintenance advice. It just sounded to me like they looked up the book times to replace each item individually and added them up, but really, they can do all of it much more efficiently. For instance, they don't have to drain and refill the cooling system three times but they were quoting him for that.
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Well those plastic parts are known failure items so I would not be too surprised that they need replacement. Prices seem way high but it is all dependent on where you live and your dealer.
Be aware there is also a rear water manifold that requires the SC to be removed so you might want to get it replaced now to save another repair down the road?
Do you know if the plastic Y pipe was replaced when the water pump was done? I could not tell if the pump has been replaced but you did say they fixed a leak last year?
What all was replaced during that repair?
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Be aware there is also a rear water manifold that requires the SC to be removed so you might want to get it replaced now to save another repair down the road?
Do you know if the plastic Y pipe was replaced when the water pump was done? I could not tell if the pump has been replaced but you did say they fixed a leak last year?
What all was replaced during that repair?
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We still don't know if Prados' x250 is still under any Jaguar Warranty... CPO or Factory.
Presuming neither owing to the Allegiance 3rd Party he mentioned..
Gonna go check x250 forum to see if he's been engaging there rather than here these past 8 silent days..
Fwiw..
Allegiance (Drive Protect) doesn't look too positive..
Presuming neither owing to the Allegiance 3rd Party he mentioned..
Gonna go check x250 forum to see if he's been engaging there rather than here these past 8 silent days..
Fwiw..
Allegiance (Drive Protect) doesn't look too positive..
Last edited by F1Virginia; 06-03-2021 at 08:18 AM.
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Seems the whole extended warranty industry is suspect. I've read some of those contracts and the lists of what they don't cover is much, much longer than the lists of what they do cover. To me, it seems that one just shouldn't choose to drive a car like Jaguar out of the factory warranty if one can't afford to cover at least a $5,000 repair in cash or DIY. It's been in the news lately about how the average American can't cover a $400 emergency without a credit card and I bet there's people like that out there driving far more expensive and exotic cars than an old XF.
But its crazy how the extended warranty psyche is so pervasive. When I buy a $30 tool at Harbor Freight, they always ask me if I want to buy an extended warranty. If the tool is that suspect or you can't absorb a $30 loss, then you need to go to Home Depot and buy the $50 name-brand version (and they'll ask you if you want a warranty). It's just nuts. I wish I had thought of it and started a warranty business. Maybe I should offer warranties on forum advice? You follow the advice on a car forum and blow up your engine, we replace it for free. Oh, but wait, you didn't do it within the first 24 hours after posting or you didn't do it EXACTLY the way they said! I could be a billionaire!
But its crazy how the extended warranty psyche is so pervasive. When I buy a $30 tool at Harbor Freight, they always ask me if I want to buy an extended warranty. If the tool is that suspect or you can't absorb a $30 loss, then you need to go to Home Depot and buy the $50 name-brand version (and they'll ask you if you want a warranty). It's just nuts. I wish I had thought of it and started a warranty business. Maybe I should offer warranties on forum advice? You follow the advice on a car forum and blow up your engine, we replace it for free. Oh, but wait, you didn't do it within the first 24 hours after posting or you didn't do it EXACTLY the way they said! I could be a billionaire!
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F1Virginia (06-05-2021)
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