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Old 10-05-2016, 08:14 PM
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Default 2009 XF 3.0D V6 issues

Hello everyone!

Hopefully I've put this in the right place, but I guess we'll see :P. If this is the wrong place, please let me know :P.

I got a 2009 XF 3.0D V6 last year, and it was going really really well! Loved going places in it, driving it and all that stuff . It's currently got about 150,000km on it - maybe slightly more, but I didn't get a chance to look lately

About a week ago, I was on my way to the Gold Coast for a dentist checkup and breakfast before heading into work (I work and live in Brisbane). Everything was fine until after breakfast - I went to turn the car on, and it started up really rough and after a few seconds the power to the engine died - air con and radio were still working, but the actual engine wasn't. I tried again, thinking I may have not held the start button long enough, but the same thing happened. I checked the oil and coolant, and it was all good, so called RACQ.

They suggested taking it to a mechanic (dealership), because they couldn't fix it on the spot, so I got it towed to the dealership in Springwood and dropped it off there. After 4 days of looking at it, they got back to me yesterday saying that the compression is gone in the left hand side of the engine, and they're suggesting to replace the engine! Unfortunately for me, they've quoted me about $45,000, about one and a half times what I paid for my car!! Apparently they're suggesting to rebuild an entirely new engine, along with about 40+ hours of labour!

Obviously there's no way I can justify that much money to fix the engine, especially when I can buy another 2009 XF for $30,000 now with less mileages than my one!

So, my question is if anyone knows a really good mechanic around the Brisbane (or Gold Coast) area that would be able to fix my car for a lot less than the dealership, could you let me know ? At this stage I'm considering selling it for as much as I can, but I'd absolutely love to fix it first if I can! Also, of course, if anyone has had this issue before and managed to fix it, that would be good too (I'm not sure if posting in the XF/general tech section would be considering double posting or not :P)

Thanks in advanced! Hopefully I'll be able to drive my car again soon!

Michael
 
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Hi Michael, sorry to hear your story. But $45000 sounds way out of the ball park.
Maybe give Murray Scoble a call at Peninsula Jag Engine Centre, not sure if he does diesel but he will point you in the right direction if he can't help you.

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Independant Jag Workshop is another that comes to mind, but I have never dealt with them.

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Thanks o1! I'll definitely give him a call . As someone who isn't very mechanical, is there anything in particular I should say? Or just that the dealership wants to charge me $45,000 because I've lost compression in the left cylinders, and see what he says ?

Hopefully he'll have a better idea than rebuilding the entire engine!

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Thanks o1! I'll definitely give him a call . As someone who isn't very mechanical, is there anything in particular I should say? Or just that the dealership wants to charge me $45,000 because I've lost compression in the left cylinders, and see what he says ?

Hopefully he'll have a better idea than rebuilding the entire engine!

Michael
Just give him a call and tell him what the dealership told you. He is a very approachable guy.
 
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The dealer is taking the ****... has to be...

First of all you don't spontaneously lose compression on one bank unless you break a camshaft or something else in the top end. It's not going to be in the bottom end of the engine, it'll be a top end problem. I've heard of the diesels in Land Rovers breaking cams, and they just replace the cam, put it back together and off they go for another 100'000 miles or so...

Although the 3.0D is an interference engine so if you did break a camshaft then it's possible there was collision between pistons and valves which is more serious

BUT

Here's the rub...

You can buy a complete rebuilt 3.0D from the UK for $10k DELIVERED to Australia.

Jaguar XF 3.0 D Reconditioned Turbo Diesel Engine 2009-Present | eBay

Then it's just a matter of someone fitting it for you. I would think $3k to remove the old engine and fit the new one would be a ballpark price in labour. And then you also need some programming work for the injectors and turbo actuators.
 
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Thanks o1, I'll give him a call .

And I did see that one the other day Cambo - I just don't know who can fit it. And then the next question is do I try get someone to fix it (if it is just the camshaft), and either hope that's the case, or risk it being more serious and having to replace it anyway, or just get them to replace the engine to begin with???

Do you think it's worth making a post in the XF section/general tech help section of the forum and seeing what people suggest first?

Michael
 
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I've moved the thread to the XF section now.

Not sure who to recommend in Brisbane for the work, doesn't have to be a Jaguar dealer or specialist, ask around for a Land Rover specialist they will certainly have more experience with this engine, given there are so many Discovery 4's and Range Rover Sports in Oz with the same 3.0D in them. They would have more exposure to these kind of problems.
 
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What Cambo said. Maybe a timing belt let go- but the change for them is around 170,000ks. and you would think that the dealer would have pointed that out so a cam is more likely.

Because it was running fine, then did this at strartup you would think there would be as fair bit of metalic noise if the valves were hitting the pistons even though it was just the starter motor turning it over.

It didn't actually fire up? If not the harm would not be so great.

Timing belt change is not all that expensive and you can do it yourself.

I'd certainly get a second opinion from an independent mechanic.
 
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Hi Michael,

+1 to what both Cambo and others have said. All my experience with 2.7L TTD a la S-Type and nothing that catastrophic (if indeed it is) but much the same engine as mine. Dealer sounds behind on his time share payments in Bahamas and sees you as a likely bunny!

You are already wise to the economics. Don't be hazed by bozos! Clarke's advice to seek help from Murray at Peninsular Jag is very sound. One of several ex Roadbend Jaguar in Perth, the supreme test is that their former employer still rates them as the best Jaguar technicians around - and this from the dealer principal I think highly enough to buy cars from, sight unseen!

Don't want to raise hopes falsely, but like Cameron, this just doesn't smell of catastrophic failure. Anything top end is not only fixable, but not fiendishly expensive. Did you perhaps catch sight of this dealer's Point Piper home he is asking you to help finance?

Best wishes mate. Keep us posted with progress.
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Hey again everyone

Thank you to everyone for your replies! I sent an email to the dealership, and they just replied. They said that even if I outsource my own motor and bring it to them, it'll cost $3,521.25 in parts (apparently "most of the time the motors that you can find will be what is called stripped motors" according to them, but if I get one of reconditioned engines that Cambo was talking about, I shouldn't need extra parts, right?). On top of that, it'll also cost another 19 or so hours in labour, for another $4,000. And that's the low end of things apparently - they may need to order pipe kits and whatnot, which could increase the price (from $7,500) up to $10,000 as a rough estimate. Of course, this price could increase more depending on what 'extras' are needed - probably how much extra the owner's house costs!

I finish work early today, so I'll give Murray a call and see if he has any ideas too, though I doubt he'll charge $20,000 for it :P.

I'll keep you guys posted as to what ends up happening

As a last resort, if it can't be fixed for cheaply, do you guys have any other suggestions as to what I can do?


 
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Michael,

One thing I have learned over far too many years . . . one step at a time . . . let's see what that second opinion from Murray brings in before leaping to alternatives.

People here like Cambo re the techy stuff and Clarke for contacts around the local Brissy scene are as far as I would venture at this stage . . . and you are already showing plenty of smarts in tapping into them. Adding respected advice from people like Murray Scoble will help you weigh up your options in due course.

Best wishes, and keep us posted please.

Ken
 
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