2011 XF Paddles
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I just bought a new 2011 XF Premium and I have a question. In the demo car I drove (also a 2011) the paddles operates in both D and S mode whereas in mine they only operate in S mode. The sales guy told me that this is a very recent change because some customers complained of inadvertent paddle operation. Is this correct? He told me that before I drove the car, so it wasn't like I discovered this and then questioned it. Apologies if this is an old question.
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Apparently, some drivers were activating the paddles unintentionally.
I have done so and it can be disconcerting when the transmission fails to upshift until redline when you are just tootling along.
One dealer actually "fixed" this by disconnecting the wires to the paddles for a lady customer.
I agree this is a shame as being able to pull a quick downshift while in D is very handy. I also like the fact that the transmission reverts to D automatically after 20 seconds or so.
I have done so and it can be disconcerting when the transmission fails to upshift until redline when you are just tootling along.
One dealer actually "fixed" this by disconnecting the wires to the paddles for a lady customer.
I agree this is a shame as being able to pull a quick downshift while in D is very handy. I also like the fact that the transmission reverts to D automatically after 20 seconds or so.
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For the moment, I've seen and heard nothing about the XK.
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and thank God, Im tired of trying to explain that someone touched the paddles and put in manual changing gears either up or down when they swear , or thought they didnt. Ive done, advisors, other techs and customers too, and this is why its been changed, but every now and then someone comes in..............
Ow have you noticed that the back window now require a double touch to drop them down?
the first touch drops a little to reduce or eliminate the Boom that can happen when driving and the windows are dropped
Ow have you noticed that the back window now require a double touch to drop them down?
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After a few inquiries and calls to JoA headquarters, I was told that Jaguar instructed their dealers to modify the software to lock out the paddles in "D" on all in-stock cars. New deliveries would have the new code. I just got a call from the service manager at my (extremely helpful) dealer and I have an appointment tomorrow to try to reverse the "upgrade". I'm so far delighted with my dealer.
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I have to admit that both wife and I have bumped the paddles when not wanting to causing an unwanted shift. I mentioned to her that they were doing this on the 2011 cars and she thought that was not a bad idea. The tranny in this car does extremely well shifting on its own for normal driving. The only time we use the paddles is when we put it in S mode and want to have fun on a twisty road anyway.
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I like the ability to shift down for a tight corner, especially downhill. I normally buy stick shifts and I hate the feeling of coasting round a corner in an automatic. That's really the only time I want to use the paddles except when in S mode. I like the way the transmission reverts to D after 20 seconds or so.
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The ZF transmission holds the gear in corners. It is not similar to North American automatics in any way. The ZF uses the lock up clutch for direct drive in all gears except 1st. It also uses intelligent programming to hold the gear on overrun and in corners. In the event of wheel slippage under acceleration it will also hold the gear until traction is regained.
This ZF is simply the best torque converter automatic available.
This ZF is simply the best torque converter automatic available.
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I use the paddles all the time, mostly down shifting going on the many down hills around here. Also should help save the brake pads some. I can see this being a deal breaker for me when my lease is up in 2 years, unless the dealer can reprogram. Instead of taking the easy way out and blocking the operation in 'D' , Jaguar should do the right thing, and improve the paddles a little bit (make them slightly longer also)
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It is pointless to use the transmission to save on brake pad wear.
This has not been sensible since the disc brake became standardized.
I concede that even some so called "expert" drivers still believe the engine braking is useful to save brake wear. Ridiculous idea. No racing driver uses the engine to slow the car.
This has not been sensible since the disc brake became standardized.
I concede that even some so called "expert" drivers still believe the engine braking is useful to save brake wear. Ridiculous idea. No racing driver uses the engine to slow the car.
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It is pointless to use the transmission to save on brake pad wear.
This has not been sensible since the disc brake became standardized.
I concede that even some so called "expert" drivers still believe the engine braking is useful to save brake wear. Ridiculous idea. No racing driver uses the engine to slow the car.
This has not been sensible since the disc brake became standardized.
I concede that even some so called "expert" drivers still believe the engine braking is useful to save brake wear. Ridiculous idea. No racing driver uses the engine to slow the car.
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Of course I save on brake pads wear when downshifting . You don't have to be a genius to figure out that stopping a 2 ton car going downhill from 30mph takes less energy than stopping under same conditions from 60mph.
Stopping involves the convering kinetic energy to heat. Either thru the brakes, or thru the transmission fluid, or both.
Since I lease my cars, it's always under factory warranty. So I don't worry about (theoretically) abusing the tranny, which will not happen anyway with all the computer controls and protections in these new cars these days.
If I can enjoy, and then return my leased car with less self financed maintenance - why not?
Stopping involves the convering kinetic energy to heat. Either thru the brakes, or thru the transmission fluid, or both.
Since I lease my cars, it's always under factory warranty. So I don't worry about (theoretically) abusing the tranny, which will not happen anyway with all the computer controls and protections in these new cars these days.
If I can enjoy, and then return my leased car with less self financed maintenance - why not?
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Since I lease my cars, it's always under factory warranty. So I don't worry about (theoretically) abusing the tranny, which will not happen anyway with all the computer controls and protections in these new cars these days.
If I can enjoy, and then return my leased car with less self financed maintenance - why not?
If I can enjoy, and then return my leased car with less self financed maintenance - why not?
Just serves to illustrate the difference between a Jaguar user, and a Jaguar lover!
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That's just my opinion, [a Jaguar Lover] so don't rip me to shreds, please.
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It is pointless to use the transmission to save on brake pad wear.
This has not been sensible since the disc brake became standardized.
I concede that even some so called "expert" drivers still believe the engine braking is useful to save brake wear. Ridiculous idea. No racing driver uses the engine to slow the car.
This has not been sensible since the disc brake became standardized.
I concede that even some so called "expert" drivers still believe the engine braking is useful to save brake wear. Ridiculous idea. No racing driver uses the engine to slow the car.
I do use engine braking for smoother deceleration, and to avoid riding the brakes, on steeper grades. I imagine this keeps the pads/rotors cooler, which can't hurt. My downshifting is very gentle, so I imagine there is no detrimental effect on the transmission. Aggressive downshifting probably would not be a good idea, but I can't back this up with any hard evidence!