2012 XF SC and XFR, what are the actual differences?
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2012 XF SC and XFR, what are the actual differences?
I've been searching old threads and elsewhere online to answer this question and have a few gaps in information I'm hoping can be clarified. I started out looking for an XFR but found a great deal on a 2012 XF SC that essentially looks new and has a color combo I love, complete records, etc... I do love the look of the 2012+ car and am specifically trying to figure out the differences between the 2012+ XFR and the SC.
As far as I've been able to find (and maybe I missed more info somewhere) there are different styling cues on the exterior (i.e. front air dam) and additional R badges, 510hp vs 470hp, and maybe a few other minor things. However, it seems like some of the key pieces to me (rear diff, brakes, active suspension) are actually the same on both cars. Can someone clarify if that is true, or are there physical differences in the differential, brakes and suspension? Does it just boil down to the code used to control these systems since they are all "active", such as the ECU tune accounting for the difference in engine output? Or maybe no difference at all?
I would expect the R to be a little firmer/sharper as it's often compared to the M5 and the XF SC to the 550i. That difference may be preferable to me, though it's impossible to say without first hand experience. Thanks in advance for any input!
As far as I've been able to find (and maybe I missed more info somewhere) there are different styling cues on the exterior (i.e. front air dam) and additional R badges, 510hp vs 470hp, and maybe a few other minor things. However, it seems like some of the key pieces to me (rear diff, brakes, active suspension) are actually the same on both cars. Can someone clarify if that is true, or are there physical differences in the differential, brakes and suspension? Does it just boil down to the code used to control these systems since they are all "active", such as the ECU tune accounting for the difference in engine output? Or maybe no difference at all?
I would expect the R to be a little firmer/sharper as it's often compared to the M5 and the XF SC to the 550i. That difference may be preferable to me, though it's impossible to say without first hand experience. Thanks in advance for any input!
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I have been thinking about it and that's exactly what I was thinking... haha Thanks for the reply! Now I need to make a decision, and I think i know what that will be...
Out of curiosity, did you have much trouble sourcing an XFR front bumper? I thought about potentially doing the same, though I don't mind the 2012 SC look as is at all.
Out of curiosity, did you have much trouble sourcing an XFR front bumper? I thought about potentially doing the same, though I don't mind the 2012 SC look as is at all.
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I was in the market for a S/C but ended up in an R due to finding one for cheaper than all the local S/C.
The seats in the R are much nicer and more comfortable (in my opinion) than in the S/C, but otherwise driving the two felt the same, though I think the XFR has a quicker steering ratio? I thought I could feel a difference there.
The seats in the R are much nicer and more comfortable (in my opinion) than in the S/C, but otherwise driving the two felt the same, though I think the XFR has a quicker steering ratio? I thought I could feel a difference there.
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Just based on photos the 2012 seats look the same or very similar between the SC and R, but I haven't been able to sit in a 2012 R. They were definitely very different (flat, no side bolstering) in a 2011 SC I looked at. The 2012 I'm eyeing has very nice seats that definitely qualify as proper sport seats in my opinion.
I was wondering about the steering ratio, and usually prefer something on the quicker side. Not sure that's a deal breaker though, especially for the price difference and having to make a trip just to see an XFR in person. The steering on the SC didn't bother me, but did feel a bit slower than what I'm used to, though my current car has a pretty quick steering ratio. I guess if it really bothered me I could keep my eye out for a proper XFR in the future... otherwise I'm incredibly impressed with the SC.
I was wondering about the steering ratio, and usually prefer something on the quicker side. Not sure that's a deal breaker though, especially for the price difference and having to make a trip just to see an XFR in person. The steering on the SC didn't bother me, but did feel a bit slower than what I'm used to, though my current car has a pretty quick steering ratio. I guess if it really bothered me I could keep my eye out for a proper XFR in the future... otherwise I'm incredibly impressed with the SC.
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My previous cars (rx8, 350z, e92 335is) also had much quicker steering, but the R seems fine to me. The S/C felt a bit slow in comparison, but it didn't really bother me since the car is nowhere near as nimble as my previous rides.
I think you can get "sport" seats in the S/C that are the same/similar to the R seats. The S/C's that I drove had pretty plain seats that had very little support.
2012 s/c (plain, little support)-
http://images.gtcarlot.com/customgal...r/62953133.jpg
http://www.ridelust.com/wp-content/u...ont-Seats3.jpg
Apparently also a 2012 s/c (no R logo on the seats)-
http://services.edmunds-media.com/im...555-125166.jpg
XFR -
https://pictures.dealer.com/j/jagtes...5cda9db3bx.jpg
I think you can get "sport" seats in the S/C that are the same/similar to the R seats. The S/C's that I drove had pretty plain seats that had very little support.
2012 s/c (plain, little support)-
http://images.gtcarlot.com/customgal...r/62953133.jpg
http://www.ridelust.com/wp-content/u...ont-Seats3.jpg
Apparently also a 2012 s/c (no R logo on the seats)-
http://services.edmunds-media.com/im...555-125166.jpg
XFR -
https://pictures.dealer.com/j/jagtes...5cda9db3bx.jpg
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Sounds about right in terms of car history... I'm sure once I've driven the S/C for awhile I won't even notice. It was just quite a contrast coming from a very quick ratio, but I can't say it felt terribly slow either.
The seats in the last S/C pic you posted look exactly like the seats in the car I'm looking at, including the color. Support seemed very good to me, especially since they are adjustable.
The seats in the last S/C pic you posted look exactly like the seats in the car I'm looking at, including the color. Support seemed very good to me, especially since they are adjustable.
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Nice car if it has those seats! I would have loved to get in a 2012+ S/C like that.
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I just traded in my 2010 XFR for a 2012 XF Supercharged. Like you, I discovered the differences were very minor. Mine came with the sport seats option, so same as the XFR (minus the R logo). I just recently added the rear air diffuser that comes on the XFR-S and have sourced an XFR front end replacement for ~$750. So, add in a tune, and some body parts and you have something that could potentially outrun an XFR and you're saving around 10k.
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I was wondering about the steering ratio, and usually prefer something on the quicker side. Not sure that's a deal breaker though, especially for the price difference and having to make a trip just to see an XFR in person. The steering on the SC didn't bother me, but did feel a bit slower than what I'm used to, though my current car has a pretty quick steering ratio.
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If the steering ratio is different btw SC and R then I presume it must be just settings as the parts are all the same to my understanding. So should be relatively easy to adjust? But I'm wondering if it's really different given the rest of the suspension setup is the same. I'm sure you could find out if you call the dealer
I went with SC in the end as at the time it was a lot cheaper for the same car without body kit. And no regrets from me
I went with SC in the end as at the time it was a lot cheaper for the same car without body kit. And no regrets from me
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