E85 or No
#41
08-04-2022, 08:14 PM
I'm converting to E85 with this tune:
https://www.velocityap.com/product/a...5-tuning-file/
No injectors need changing. Just the tune. But is is not flex fuel, you gotta reflash to put regular gas in again.
Puts out 553Hp from the V6 on the dyno. I say E85 YES!
https://www.velocityap.com/product/a...5-tuning-file/
No injectors need changing. Just the tune. But is is not flex fuel, you gotta reflash to put regular gas in again.
Puts out 553Hp from the V6 on the dyno. I say E85 YES!
#42
08-04-2022, 11:55 PM
Any chance you Know why it’s not such a common thing to have both? I have a 2011 XF 5.0SC with both Aux radiators. Just never understood why only a select amount or select model configuration was fitted and not the others. Are all XFRs fitted with them?
#43
08-05-2022, 12:07 AM
See normally, you would need a flex fuel sensor, but I believe Jaguar does it via some intelligence in the ECU in order to get it working. There is a fuel sensor within the ECU essentially like Mercedes (both Bosch units between AMG Mercedes and Jaguar too so very much possible). And exactly your logic, just gas and go and the car figures it out for me. But they are around and I have seen a few for sale (and been tempted to purchase just to get rid of the whole issue) but I will be sure to leave an update if I discover anything.
Oxidizer2k - See that is my point, I believe our cars and the flex fuel jags and our non flex fuel jags with 5.0 Supercharged engines use the same injectors, fuel lines, fuel pump, etc. So none of this would be necessary in terms being able to put e85 in. The only possible limitations I see for tuning purposes is finding injectors and a pump that would deliver more fuel as there is a 10% increase in consumption when it comes to E85 and more fuel would be required to be dumped into the engine for higher power gains, but for an oem power number, it would be more than happy to function as is. Personally, I would not mind a power bump, but I also do not feel like spending thousands upgrading all the systems, defeats the purpose of saving money at the pump!
But I see you have a 2010 XFR in your description, I heard one tuner in California managed to tune the older Denso ECU 6 Speed ZF cars up to e40, not sure if that was fuel system limitations or whatever else...
Oxidizer2k - See that is my point, I believe our cars and the flex fuel jags and our non flex fuel jags with 5.0 Supercharged engines use the same injectors, fuel lines, fuel pump, etc. So none of this would be necessary in terms being able to put e85 in. The only possible limitations I see for tuning purposes is finding injectors and a pump that would deliver more fuel as there is a 10% increase in consumption when it comes to E85 and more fuel would be required to be dumped into the engine for higher power gains, but for an oem power number, it would be more than happy to function as is. Personally, I would not mind a power bump, but I also do not feel like spending thousands upgrading all the systems, defeats the purpose of saving money at the pump!
But I see you have a 2010 XFR in your description, I heard one tuner in California managed to tune the older Denso ECU 6 Speed ZF cars up to e40, not sure if that was fuel system limitations or whatever else...
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08-05-2022, 12:14 AM
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The double aux radiator is part of the "hot climate" pack which from my research seemed to be limited to the Middle East (yep, hot as hell) and the US (some parts hot as hell but not many really), while somehow the JLR marketing wonks decided that Oz did not qualify as hot climate when much of Oz is just as hot as the Middle East, go figure.
#45
08-05-2022, 12:25 AM
My Aust delivery 2010 XFR came with only one aux radiator with a blanking plate on the other side.
The double aux radiator is part of the "hot climate" pack which from my research seemed to be limited to the Middle East (yep, hot as hell) and the US (some parts hot as hell but not many really), while somehow the JLR marketing wonks decided that Oz did not qualify as hot climate when much of Oz is just as hot as the Middle East, go figure.
The double aux radiator is part of the "hot climate" pack which from my research seemed to be limited to the Middle East (yep, hot as hell) and the US (some parts hot as hell but not many really), while somehow the JLR marketing wonks decided that Oz did not qualify as hot climate when much of Oz is just as hot as the Middle East, go figure.
#46
08-05-2022, 08:37 AM
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Yes OzXFR is right we think it was some kind of hot weather package but I have never seen it listed on any window sticker so how did anyone order it? Maybe standard for some area's but no documentation? Plus tons of cars in hot places running just the one AUX radiator.
Kind of a puzzle all the way around as it was sort of discovered accidentally on this forum. Again never any mention from Jaguar about it but it is listed in the parts diagrams if you know where to look. I have seen a number of Diesels in the UK with both AUX radiators as I am still searching parts for a possible addition of the drivers side AUX radiator on my XJ. The radiator and hoses look to be no problem but trying to verify the ducting has totally confused me! The hoses and the AUX radiator are all the same across the Jaguar lineup but the ducting I think is model specific?
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Kind of a puzzle all the way around as it was sort of discovered accidentally on this forum. Again never any mention from Jaguar about it but it is listed in the parts diagrams if you know where to look. I have seen a number of Diesels in the UK with both AUX radiators as I am still searching parts for a possible addition of the drivers side AUX radiator on my XJ. The radiator and hoses look to be no problem but trying to verify the ducting has totally confused me! The hoses and the AUX radiator are all the same across the Jaguar lineup but the ducting I think is model specific?
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#47
08-05-2022, 12:23 PM
Yes OzXFR is right we think it was some kind of hot weather package but I have never seen it listed on any window sticker so how did anyone order it? Maybe standard for some area's but no documentation? Plus tons of cars in hot places running just the one AUX radiator.
Kind of a puzzle all the way around as it was sort of discovered accidentally on this forum. Again never any mention from Jaguar about it but it is listed in the parts diagrams if you know where to look. I have seen a number of Diesels in the UK with both AUX radiators as I am still searching parts for a possible addition of the drivers side AUX radiator on my XJ. The radiator and hoses look to be no problem but trying to verify the ducting has totally confused me! The hoses and the AUX radiator are all the same across the Jaguar lineup but the ducting I think is model specific?
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Kind of a puzzle all the way around as it was sort of discovered accidentally on this forum. Again never any mention from Jaguar about it but it is listed in the parts diagrams if you know where to look. I have seen a number of Diesels in the UK with both AUX radiators as I am still searching parts for a possible addition of the drivers side AUX radiator on my XJ. The radiator and hoses look to be no problem but trying to verify the ducting has totally confused me! The hoses and the AUX radiator are all the same across the Jaguar lineup but the ducting I think is model specific?
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#48
08-06-2022, 11:11 AM
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08-06-2022, 11:43 AM
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I bought all of the parts and successfully mocked up the fit for adding the second aux radiator (driver-side) on my car ('11 XFR). I haven't fully installed all of the hoses yet, as I just finished the timing chain tensioners & guides, spark plugs, etc., but I have the new ductwork and aux radiator installed. I'm in the process of putting it all back together after replacing all of the hoses/plastics, and still need to order some additional pieces and finish the SC. I'm going to add an additional heat exchanger at an angle at the bottom of the center grill, too, and have a diagram drawn up of coolant flow to the aux rads, additional heat exchanger, etc., as well as the correct part numbers in PowerPoint and Excel files. I'm on my phone in Beckley, West Virginia for my mom's family reunion, right now, though, so don't have access to it. I'll be headed back down to Atlanta tomorrow and could get the information to you no later than Monday, if that sounds like something else you might want to see.
#50
08-06-2022, 02:54 PM
I bought all of the parts and successfully mocked up the fit for adding the second aux radiator (driver-side) on my car ('11 XFR). I haven't fully installed all of the hoses yet, as I just finished the timing chain tensioners & guides, spark plugs, etc., but I have the new ductwork and aux radiator installed. I'm in the process of putting it all back together after replacing all of the hoses/plastics, and still need to order some additional pieces and finish the SC. I'm going to add an additional heat exchanger at an angle at the bottom of the center grill, too, and have a diagram drawn up of coolant flow to the aux rads, additional heat exchanger, etc., as well as the correct part numbers in PowerPoint and Excel files. I'm on my phone in Beckley, West Virginia for my mom's family reunion, right now, though, so don't have access to it. I'll be headed back down to Atlanta tomorrow and could get the information to you no later than Monday, if that sounds like something else you might want to see.
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#51
08-08-2022, 11:20 AM
>but none as tedious as these Jaguars
That's a great observation!!
But has anybody worked on a similar modern performance car? Bet a supercharged Merc or BMW/Audi would be just as tough/expensive.
But at least with them there are probably more people working on them and sharing experiences.
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That's a great observation!!
But has anybody worked on a similar modern performance car? Bet a supercharged Merc or BMW/Audi would be just as tough/expensive.
But at least with them there are probably more people working on them and sharing experiences.
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#52
08-08-2022, 02:12 PM
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I get that you meant supercharged vehicles, but I will say that my Audi S3 8V (2.0T) is cake to work on compared to my XFR, primarily because it's a lot smaller engine, albeit in a smaller engine bay, but nothing is really that hard to get to, etc. And, to your point, so many aftermarket parts are available for it, as well as a ton more information from people who are working on them, especially since it's a lot cheaper and almost identical to the VW Golf R MK7 powertrain, suspension, etc., so it's definitely a lot easier.
Every time I do anything new to my XFR, I learn a lot more, and it gets a little less scary, though. And, some of the stuff, I've now done multiple times over my 11 years of ownership. I'm still nowhere near the point that I know anywhere near as much as a lot of these guys on here, but I definitely feel a lot more comfortable trying things than I did a few years ago. Not to mention that it's not my daily driver, so while I'd really prefer not to make any mistakes, it's not the end of the world if I need to keep it sidelined while I fix anything minor I might screw up.
Every time I do anything new to my XFR, I learn a lot more, and it gets a little less scary, though. And, some of the stuff, I've now done multiple times over my 11 years of ownership. I'm still nowhere near the point that I know anywhere near as much as a lot of these guys on here, but I definitely feel a lot more comfortable trying things than I did a few years ago. Not to mention that it's not my daily driver, so while I'd really prefer not to make any mistakes, it's not the end of the world if I need to keep it sidelined while I fix anything minor I might screw up.
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Hello,
I am new in this forum but I want to share my experience with you about the e85 conversion.
I have a Jaguar XF 5.0 v8 phase 2 (2012). I reprogrammed the car injection in a specialized garage to accept e85 and gasoline or a mix without any other changes.
I drove 70 000 KM since without a glitch using only E85 always. The engine never had a single glitch even under very cold weather (-10C).
The only problem I am facing now is the gasoline pump that hated the e85 and got damaged. I am changing it now after 70 000 KM.
If I need to change it every 100 000KM I am totally fine with it ;-)
Do you know if it exists some gasoline pump more keen to resist to e85 that I can mount ?
Thank you
I am new in this forum but I want to share my experience with you about the e85 conversion.
I have a Jaguar XF 5.0 v8 phase 2 (2012). I reprogrammed the car injection in a specialized garage to accept e85 and gasoline or a mix without any other changes.
I drove 70 000 KM since without a glitch using only E85 always. The engine never had a single glitch even under very cold weather (-10C).
The only problem I am facing now is the gasoline pump that hated the e85 and got damaged. I am changing it now after 70 000 KM.
If I need to change it every 100 000KM I am totally fine with it ;-)
Do you know if it exists some gasoline pump more keen to resist to e85 that I can mount ?
Thank you
#54
03-08-2023, 11:12 AM
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#55
03-09-2023, 09:46 PM
Hello,
I am new in this forum but I want to share my experience with you about the e85 conversion.
I have a Jaguar XF 5.0 v8 phase 2 (2012). I reprogrammed the car injection in a specialized garage to accept e85 and gasoline or a mix without any other changes.
I drove 70 000 KM since without a glitch using only E85 always. The engine never had a single glitch even under very cold weather (-10C).
The only problem I am facing now is the gasoline pump that hated the e85 and got damaged. I am changing it now after 70 000 KM.
If I need to change it every 100 000KM I am totally fine with it ;-)
Do you know if it exists some gasoline pump more keen to resist to e85 that I can mount ?
Thank you
I am new in this forum but I want to share my experience with you about the e85 conversion.
I have a Jaguar XF 5.0 v8 phase 2 (2012). I reprogrammed the car injection in a specialized garage to accept e85 and gasoline or a mix without any other changes.
I drove 70 000 KM since without a glitch using only E85 always. The engine never had a single glitch even under very cold weather (-10C).
The only problem I am facing now is the gasoline pump that hated the e85 and got damaged. I am changing it now after 70 000 KM.
If I need to change it every 100 000KM I am totally fine with it ;-)
Do you know if it exists some gasoline pump more keen to resist to e85 that I can mount ?
Thank you
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03-10-2023, 09:40 AM
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03-11-2023, 10:01 AM
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#59
03-11-2023, 08:12 PM
Yea, I do believe that is the case. I believe that the Bosch ECUs were started in 2013. I wonder what it is about the Denso ECU that tuners/ engineers or developers don’t like about it.
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03-11-2023, 08:43 PM
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I understand that the Bosch ECU has a lot more tuneable parameters than the relatively primitive Denso ECU.