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Old 12-14-2019, 09:19 PM
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Old 12-14-2019, 09:40 PM
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Interesting.
No use to me of course as I'm in Oz and I have an AJ126 V6.
I see you have posted this in the XF and XJ forums, but not as far as I can tell in the XK and F-Type forums.
The linked page also talks about only 2012 to 2014 models, and only the 5.0 V8 and not the 3.0 V6 (like my car) although the V6 uses the exact same timing gear.
I can't recall off the top of my head any reports of the V6 having the same problems with the timing chains, guides and tensioners but I suspect the early AJ126's (pre-2015) used the same suspect parts. Maybe it's just that few or no early V6s have done enough miles yet for this to show up.
 
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Old 12-15-2019, 09:20 PM
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I’m pretty sure the guides and tensioners were updated in 2013 before the V6s came out (2014).

I presume this litigation is for people who’s engines failed, not for people who changed the guides/tensioners out preventatively. I already updated mine at my own expense.

Best of luck.

EDIT: Just read the class action summary. They definitely have the incorrect range of vehicles included. It should at least include model years 2010 & 2011. I’m also pretty sure it should not include MY2014. I have never heard of an affected 2014 vehicle and the Landrover TSB specifically covers 2010-2012 vehicles suggesting the part was updated in 2013.
 

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I have an early 2012 built 9/2012 and it had the old style guides and tensioners. Mine were replaced under extended warranty.

 
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Old 12-16-2019, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by OzXFR
I can't recall off the top of my head any reports of the V6 having the same problems with the timing chains.
Anecdotally, my local Indy, who did a lot of chain fixes, told me that oil change interval plays into this problem - longer you go between oil changes, more likely you are going to have a chain issue on these engines.
 
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Old 12-16-2019, 10:07 AM
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Anecdotally, my local Indy, who did a lot of chain fixes, told me that oil change interval plays into this problem - longer you go between oil changes, more likely you are going to have a chain issue on these engines.
Thx good to hear, only problem with used cars... need to get oil change records.
 
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I have an early 2012 built 9/2012 and it had the old style guides and tensioners. Mine were replaced under extended warranty.
I assume you meant 2013?

My understanding was the design changed sometime during 2013 and that the old style was gone by 2014. Your 2013 model is consistent with this thinking. If anyone has a 2014 that has the old style parts, I’d love to see it posted here.

Oil change frequency may help compensate for poor tensioner/ guide design, but it will not stop the bending of the aluminum rail from the steel tensioner pin. You need the new part: there is no other way.
 

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I have suspected the oil change interval because Bigg Will has well over 100K miles on his early model XFR with no tensioner problems at all. He is very consistent with oil change intervals of 4K using Walmart Synthetic oil. Thought that was over kill but I think he's on the right track now!
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My oil from day 1 has been changed every 7500 miles or 6 months at the dealer with Castrol recommended oil and my guides and tensioner were severely worn. So oil change is not the issue soft aluminium is.
 

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In general, I change my oil between 3k/5k miles or every 6 months. For one, that's what my extended warranty requires so I document that.
In addition, I recently did a total cost of ownership analysis of my purchase. Inclusive of taxes, comparing like to like, features that were standard in 2012 (rear trays, 1200W system for supercharged, etc) to an "off the shelf" 2016 or comparable vehicle. The 2012 is still more affordable to own by at least 10k, accounting for cash flow @ a 12% interest rate (I am not a corporation). I wish the gap was bigger, but we're talking about buying an old luxury vehicle with common aging parts.

Add in the savings from doing a majority of the work myself minus items covered by my warranty and I anticipate to prepare to sink at least 20% of my purchase price (tensioners included in preventative maintenance) from when I bought it (2018) forecasted to 2024 unless an act of God occurs. I knew this going into the purchase so my expectations are in check with any surprises. I suppose my sample size is just me, but it seems like most folks here are doing preventative maintenance and we are discussing symptoms and resolutions (as best can be conveyed in text/video clips versus in person) to save us all some coin, time, and pain hopefully.
 

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As a new oner of a MY 2013 XJL V6, can someone please advise me if this risk applies to the V6 as well? And if so, how big / long of a job is it to change out the guide rails and tensioner... Thanks.
 
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I think its everything with same technology for the chain tensioners. shop quoted ~5-10 hours engine in to me, cost me 2 hours labor with engine already out.

It's not really DIY unless you are familiar with how timing works.
 
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