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Timing chain tensioners and guides, stuck on PS pulley and Crank hub.

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Old 04-13-2024 | 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Vasara
danu99 Can you do anything yourself? Familar with tools? Under very nice looking chassis there are a standard basic vehicle like any other car. The engine are made by Ford/PSA and used at least Citroen C5/C6 and Peugeot 407/607 in high volumes. Transmission are made by ZF. Brakes are made by ATE. Most of the service parts, even as OEM are available thru many EU online parts distributors like Mister-Auto, Autodoc, Skruvat, Alvadi...
The engine mounts, both sides of the engine, are active type controlled with vacuum by ECU. If you have vacuum leak, mount have been failed or the limiter band around the mount have been broken you might get these symthons. For smooth gear change the ECM and transmission controller works together and many things happen during gearchange. Slight reduction on injection exsample, propably one side engine mount adjust aswell to cope chancing of torque vector?

The transmission mount is standard "passive rubber" type. You could hear and feel failed/failing mount ratlle? Can you get your car lifted and get underside (safely!) to have a peek for the mounts? If you know somebody from your friends / work / neiberhood who have skils with cars, ask if he is willing to help you to check out?
And don´t over rew the engine. There is no juice after 4k rpm anyway so its no worth. Power curve drop dramatically after 4k. If i remember right there is more power at 2500rpm than 4300rpm, so its worth to hit higher gear at 4k. (on factory tune)
Yes… i am familiar with tools…. But let me give you a example. Front wheels pivots. Changed in shop. Under 2000 km both. One has broken rubber. From bad replacement procedure by shop. I am one step away from hurting someone who doesn't tight the nuts and bolts on arms and bushings with the wheels in the ground. Even if i specifically tell them to do it by the book. Trust me….. It's that bad…. Normal
Shop or dealership.
I didn't know that engine Mounts are active. I will look into it.
I don't want to cha ge any engines. I had opinions with”change the engine” years ago with the W211.…. And it still goes strong and no oil loss or power. I was just explaining about the situation with shops and mechanics here. So… i have to figure stuff out myself and go to a shop and change only whats necessary and broken…. And not the entire car/engine.
I never over rev the engine. What i was telling its about the 2000 -2500 rpm range. And that is what i consider normal operating rpm. Indeed, if I Drive harder…. The car is spot on…. Extremely responsive. But that's not the case. I want in normal exploataion of the car all to be smooth. That would mean that all is in normal parameters. So…. Normal rpm range…. Normal pressure on the acceleration, normal car pace….
I am 42…. I don't drive like in my youth… 1st 40km…..2nd 80….3rd 120. All red lined.
Like i told.… on spirited driving mode… by me and the car…. The engine and gearbox seems tighter. And…. Less vibrations…
Previous owner told me he drove it in dynamic. I think in dynamic rattley and used tappers are not that obvious. Because more action in less time… and more pressure because higher rpm. Older tappers are worn and not that responsive to oil pressure in low rpm. Tappers don't compress and depress the same as new, in low rpm. That's why the vibrations on changing gears in normal and calm driving. This is my conclusion…. My idea. Will look into engine mounts…. Any link would be of use.
I hope you guys understand my ideas…. Based on aging of the parts and different behavior in different modes of driving and rpm. Aging parts are not broken, but for me, it's not good enough.
If i have fun with the car, real fun… pulls great, changes gears great, no smoke, no oil loss, consumption is ok. I could drive it like that…. But in my mind, not doing some stuff now, would make the engine vulnerable for later. And i want Tobe cautious
 
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Old 04-13-2024 | 06:58 AM
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Ok, good.
I would start checking the mounts if there is the problem. For active vacuum pipes good way to test them is plug them on mount end and then blow on pipes right after the actuators. If i remember right the actuators for mounts are sitting on top of the engine, right next to MAF:s. Have you downloaded the x351 Service and Repair manual from sticky section? It would be great help for you, because its have all parts listed and systems very well descripted how things work.
There are lot of videos for mounts in youtube. Most XF or gasoline, but the idea/parts are pretty much same.
Check these:
 
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Old 04-19-2024 | 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Vasara
Ok, good.
I would start checking the mounts if there is the problem. For active vacuum pipes good way to test them is plug them on mount end and then blow on pipes right after the actuators. If i remember right the actuators for mounts are sitting on top of the engine, right next to MAF:s. Have you downloaded the x351 Service and Repair manual from sticky section? It would be great help for you, because its have all parts listed and systems very well descripted how things work.
There are lot of videos for mounts in youtube. Most XF or gasoline, but the idea/parts are pretty much same.
Check these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlnjQX-5Kn0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOJQTdWk_zo
Sorry for the late response. Busy with situations.
In short: the active mount solenoid has 1 line in and 2 lines out for the 2 sides. Blowing in them, the lines out that go to the mounts, and them holding pressure would mean that the lines don't have a leak and maybe the mounts are ok? Or it's not enough pressure for the mounts, blowing by mouth, but the lines are ok if they hold for sure? As I see, the lines are not clamped on the solenoid…. Ideas of what's the operating pressure for the lines and mounts?
 
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Old 04-19-2024 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by danu99
Sorry for the late response. Busy with situations.
In short: the active mount solenoid has 1 line in and 2 lines out for the 2 sides. Blowing in them, the lines out that go to the mounts, and them holding pressure would mean that the lines don't have a leak and maybe the mounts are ok? Or it's not enough pressure for the mounts, blowing by mouth, but the lines are ok if they hold for sure? As I see, the lines are not clamped on the solenoid…. Ideas of what's the operating pressure for the lines and mounts?
They are operated by vacuum, so clamps are not needed. If there are no leaks, they should be Ok.
Peek underneath that the limiter bands are intact. (fabric bands should go around them, limiting the max movement)
 
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