Upgrading the 2010/2011 slow touch screen display
#141
05-21-2019, 03:15 AM
Senior Member
OK. So now I am the proud owner of a CW93 10E889 BB. (£89 inc. P&P from mr eBay).
Now I have to decide if I am brave enough to actually start messing with the bits of my car that actually work and risk changing that.
Decisions, decisions.
A question to anyone looking in: is this guaranteed to be a dual view?
Another: will it change the interface in the remote for the TV? The seven year old grandson has figured it out (alone among all family members!), and I don't want to confuse him unnecessarily.
Now I have to decide if I am brave enough to actually start messing with the bits of my car that actually work and risk changing that.
Decisions, decisions.
A question to anyone looking in: is this guaranteed to be a dual view?
Another: will it change the interface in the remote for the TV? The seven year old grandson has figured it out (alone among all family members!), and I don't want to confuse him unnecessarily.
#142
05-21-2019, 03:16 AM
Senior Member
Edit: OK - I was steamrollered into it. I broke out my entire toolkit, and set to destroying my car (primarily using xDave's handy step by step guide, supplemented by other nags and aids). I then proceeded to waste a year's worth of adrenaline prying breakable plastic bits until they either snapped or came loose!
Ten minutes later, I had the new one in and back together!
Everything works, as far as I can tell, including seat massage and minimap:
... and here is the left overs (ironically, after my agonising, a BB!):
Functionality appears (after a worryingly long w-a-i-t) to be identical, maybe a touch more responsive, with the big difference that the satnav voice is now male - very disorienting!
I can therefore confirm that CW93-10E889-BB works with full functionality. It doesn't appear, however, to be massively more responsive - that may be due to the fact that I had got used to the foibles of the old one over the last 15 months.
Ten minutes later, I had the new one in and back together!
Everything works, as far as I can tell, including seat massage and minimap:
... and here is the left overs (ironically, after my agonising, a BB!):
Functionality appears (after a worryingly long w-a-i-t) to be identical, maybe a touch more responsive, with the big difference that the satnav voice is now male - very disorienting!
I can therefore confirm that CW93-10E889-BB works with full functionality. It doesn't appear, however, to be massively more responsive - that may be due to the fact that I had got used to the foibles of the old one over the last 15 months.
Last edited by christ; 05-21-2019 at 03:43 PM.
#143
05-22-2019, 03:35 AM
Senior Member
OK - next day - first impressions were wrong: this new screen is definitely more responsive than the old one, even if the boot time is similar or longer.
I have to confess that I expected the CW screen to give me new buttons on the interface, but I still have:
Is this the expected interface?
I have to confess that I expected the CW screen to give me new buttons on the interface, but I still have:
Is this the expected interface?
Last edited by christ; 05-22-2019 at 03:43 PM.
#144
05-23-2019, 09:47 AM
That is the first time I have seen the older style interface on a CW93 display.
Given the date of the unit (on the label) I wonder if that is one of the screens from the switch over period in 2012 when the 2013 MY cars were coming out with the earlier software and the owners were given a free upgrade via their dealers.
I always assumed that was a hardware change, but it may have been software. If you hold in the valet button for about 30 seconds (I forget exactly how long) you should get into the diagnostics menu - can you get the software version and post here?
I would be tempted to reflash the software onto that unit via SDD to see if it changes.
Given the date of the unit (on the label) I wonder if that is one of the screens from the switch over period in 2012 when the 2013 MY cars were coming out with the earlier software and the owners were given a free upgrade via their dealers.
I always assumed that was a hardware change, but it may have been software. If you hold in the valet button for about 30 seconds (I forget exactly how long) you should get into the diagnostics menu - can you get the software version and post here?
I would be tempted to reflash the software onto that unit via SDD to see if it changes.
#146
05-28-2019, 02:52 AM
Senior Member
I answered this myself - it doesn't make any difference. I also tried pressing and holding in all of the other corners of the screen, engine on/ engine off, and no magic screens popped up.
This isn't an option for me, as (1) I don't have access to SDD, and (2) that sounds like I would have a house brick in place of a touch screen if it went wrong.
Last edited by christ; 05-28-2019 at 02:54 AM.
#147
06-09-2019, 12:34 PM
Question - just installed a CW93 unit in place of the miserable BW93 that came with my car (2011 Supersport). The install was straightforward and the new screen worked perfectly (much crisper and more responsive). But today when I started the car the screen wouldn't respond to touch commands - only the dash buttons - and randomly loaded the nav screen and proceeded to spin about the map. I tried turning it on and off, turning the car on and off, no change. Is my new display a lemon or is there a software fix? I really don't want to have to reinstall the old screen (the new one is under warranty, fortunately).
#148
06-10-2019, 07:12 AM
Senior Member
Question - just installed a CW93 unit in place of the miserable BW93 that came with my car (2011 Supersport). The install was straightforward and the new screen worked perfectly (much crisper and more responsive). But today when I started the car the screen wouldn't respond to touch commands - only the dash buttons - and randomly loaded the nav screen and proceeded to spin about the map. I tried turning it on and off, turning the car on and off, no change. Is my new display a lemon or is there a software fix? I really don't want to have to reinstall the old screen (the new one is under warranty, fortunately).
I can't be of any help theoretically or practically, but if it were a computer exhibiting those sorts of symptoms my suggestion would be that it is acting as though a control is being held down somewhere - is it possible that something is pressing on the touch screen somewhere? If not I fear that it is a lemon and should go back.
#149
08-12-2019, 05:26 AM
Senior Member
Some of you may remember that I plucked up the courage to trade my BW93 10E889 touch screen for a CW93, and it all seemed to go well with no missing functionality. I now have discovered that the remote control no longer functions wirelessly - it works when docked in the armrest, but not when removed. I can't honestly tell if this is new, or started when I did the upgrade. Does anyone have any more knowledge of how this system works to tell me if it is possibly expected behaviour, or if something else may be wrong?
(... not that it is a real issue, as it is perfectly usable in its dock)
(... not that it is a real issue, as it is perfectly usable in its dock)
#150
01-17-2020, 12:38 PM
Dragging up an old thread here...
To access the Engineering menu for the touchscreen & NAV, press and hold the small Leaper in the top LH side of the screen whilst on the home menu.
DO NOT select anything that says software upload etc as this will brick the system leading to an expensive trip to your local dealer....
Hope this helps...
Alex
To access the Engineering menu for the touchscreen & NAV, press and hold the small Leaper in the top LH side of the screen whilst on the home menu.
DO NOT select anything that says software upload etc as this will brick the system leading to an expensive trip to your local dealer....
Hope this helps...
Alex
#151
10-02-2020, 01:29 PM
OK - next day - first impressions were wrong: this new screen is definitely more responsive than the old one, even if the boot time is similar or longer.
I have to confess that I expected the CW screen to give me new buttons on the interface, but I still have:
Is this the expected interface?
I have to confess that I expected the CW screen to give me new buttons on the interface, but I still have:
Is this the expected interface?
Andy
#152
10-03-2020, 06:08 AM
Senior Member
... so the old car is still on the old interface, but I am on a newer one! (It remains the only CW93 with the old interface that anyone has seen, though)
#153
10-04-2020, 02:46 AM
#154
10-22-2020, 04:39 PM
Junior Member
Good evening to All.
I'm new to the group from sunny South Africa.
Thank you to everyone who contributed to this thread! So much knowledge... Recently bought a 2010 Jaguar XJ and it seems I need to upgrade by display screen to CW93-10E889-DB. We are having trouble finding a second hand one (any help will be greatly appreciated). Can anyone please tell me if they know the difference between CW93-10E889-DB and the CW93-10E889-CB? There are a few 'CB' for sale, but no 'DB'. I have read that the 'DB' is a compatible upgrade. Dual view is preferred.
Thanks, Tim
I'm new to the group from sunny South Africa.
Thank you to everyone who contributed to this thread! So much knowledge... Recently bought a 2010 Jaguar XJ and it seems I need to upgrade by display screen to CW93-10E889-DB. We are having trouble finding a second hand one (any help will be greatly appreciated). Can anyone please tell me if they know the difference between CW93-10E889-DB and the CW93-10E889-CB? There are a few 'CB' for sale, but no 'DB'. I have read that the 'DB' is a compatible upgrade. Dual view is preferred.
Thanks, Tim
#155
10-26-2020, 04:12 AM
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#156
10-26-2020, 01:31 PM
Junior Member
Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge! It is really appreciated.
If you ever come across a dual view CW93-10E88-DB or CW93-10E88-BB please do let know... Really struggling to find one. Searched eBay high and low and also LKQ Online.Online. Plenty of single view CW93's.
Is there really a massive benefit to the dual view?
Regards,
Tim
#157
03-25-2021, 09:27 AM
Veteran Member
I did this mod to my 2011 XJL.
I bought this one for $70 at a breaker near me.
CW93 10E889 AC removed from a 2012 vin# SAJWA2GB2CLV29707
Installed it and it works perfectly.
I bought this one for $70 at a breaker near me.
CW93 10E889 AC removed from a 2012 vin# SAJWA2GB2CLV29707
Installed it and it works perfectly.
Last edited by rothwell; 03-25-2021 at 10:16 PM.
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#159
11-15-2022, 04:25 AM
If you have a 2010 or 2011 XJ you will know the frustration of trying to use the touchscreen it was built with. The buttons are tiny and the touch screen is unresponsive without continually jabbing at it. It is a massive disapointment in an otherwise brilliant car.
I have seen this question pop up a few times on different forums, but haven't seen anyone sharing the way to upgrade that to the much more usable later versions. Which is odd, because it is really, really easy to do. I have now upgraded the system in four X351s from 2010 and 2011 without any issues encountered so far.
All you need is a 2012MY onwards touch screen from a breakers yard. Typical cost is £150. It takes all of 2 minutes to change over.
1. Pop the surround trim off with a flat blade where where the dash trim has its seam about level with the base of the screen. It just lifts off.
2. Remove the eight size 20 hex screws and remove the AC controls and the old screen.
3. Swap the screens over.
4. Replace AC controls, screws and trim.
That's really it - no programming, no security codes, just turn on the ignition and after a slightly longer than normal pause for the first time only the screen will come on with all the options fitted to your car as before. Only this time you only have to lightly touch the buttons to activate them, and the software will be running at the later version with larger buttons, better sat nav controls, and so on. It is so much safer to use.
There is only one thing you need to watch out for when selecting a replacement screen. If you have dual view and want to retain it then the donor screen must also be dual view. Otherwise it's not an issue to fit a dual view screen to a non-speced car (you'll gain the hardware, but will need to code it by modifying the CCF data to make it available for use). The easiest way to determine whether it has dual view is to either get the donor VIN and check the build spec on TOPIx, or ask for a photo of it still installed and look for the button on the AC control panel.
The AC control panel does change along with the touch screen specs on each model year. For example the earier ones did not have dedicated AV/NAV and PHONE buttons. You can however still access all the functionality with your original 10/11 AC panel. On one car I swapped the panel over as the owner wanted the newer style buttons too and that worked fine too, but it is not really necessary. Note that from 2015 (maybe 2016 US) model years onwards the door locking buttons moved onto the door handles themselves. Also note that from 2013 the BW sound system was replaced with Meridan. If your car has one of the premium amp levels the icon will apear as Meridan if the touch screen is later than 2013, however when tested it still operates as before. From 2017MY the touch screens may be different if the new system was specified so always check the donor unit looks like the one you are removing.
Below are some photos of the last 2013 screen I installed, together with the changed AC controls. The final two with the trim fitted are from a 2015 screen fitted to my own XJ. The software is very close but slightly tweaked nav controls and some UI gloss. The main difference is that the nav screen no longer has that annoying confirmation prompt, instead you get one when first starting the car that times out automatically after 15 seconds if not touched anywhere on the screen.
When looking at the label on the rear of a screen, the sideways numbers on the far right are the date code. The first two are the year, the others I suspect are week codes. Anything made after mid 2011 will have 2012 or later software installed.
I have seen this question pop up a few times on different forums, but haven't seen anyone sharing the way to upgrade that to the much more usable later versions. Which is odd, because it is really, really easy to do. I have now upgraded the system in four X351s from 2010 and 2011 without any issues encountered so far.
All you need is a 2012MY onwards touch screen from a breakers yard. Typical cost is £150. It takes all of 2 minutes to change over.
1. Pop the surround trim off with a flat blade where where the dash trim has its seam about level with the base of the screen. It just lifts off.
2. Remove the eight size 20 hex screws and remove the AC controls and the old screen.
3. Swap the screens over.
4. Replace AC controls, screws and trim.
That's really it - no programming, no security codes, just turn on the ignition and after a slightly longer than normal pause for the first time only the screen will come on with all the options fitted to your car as before. Only this time you only have to lightly touch the buttons to activate them, and the software will be running at the later version with larger buttons, better sat nav controls, and so on. It is so much safer to use.
There is only one thing you need to watch out for when selecting a replacement screen. If you have dual view and want to retain it then the donor screen must also be dual view. Otherwise it's not an issue to fit a dual view screen to a non-speced car (you'll gain the hardware, but will need to code it by modifying the CCF data to make it available for use). The easiest way to determine whether it has dual view is to either get the donor VIN and check the build spec on TOPIx, or ask for a photo of it still installed and look for the button on the AC control panel.
The AC control panel does change along with the touch screen specs on each model year. For example the earier ones did not have dedicated AV/NAV and PHONE buttons. You can however still access all the functionality with your original 10/11 AC panel. On one car I swapped the panel over as the owner wanted the newer style buttons too and that worked fine too, but it is not really necessary. Note that from 2015 (maybe 2016 US) model years onwards the door locking buttons moved onto the door handles themselves. Also note that from 2013 the BW sound system was replaced with Meridan. If your car has one of the premium amp levels the icon will apear as Meridan if the touch screen is later than 2013, however when tested it still operates as before. From 2017MY the touch screens may be different if the new system was specified so always check the donor unit looks like the one you are removing.
Below are some photos of the last 2013 screen I installed, together with the changed AC controls. The final two with the trim fitted are from a 2015 screen fitted to my own XJ. The software is very close but slightly tweaked nav controls and some UI gloss. The main difference is that the nav screen no longer has that annoying confirmation prompt, instead you get one when first starting the car that times out automatically after 15 seconds if not touched anywhere on the screen.
When looking at the label on the rear of a screen, the sideways numbers on the far right are the date code. The first two are the year, the others I suspect are week codes. Anything made after mid 2011 will have 2012 or later software installed.
thank you