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Old 11-25-2012, 04:39 AM
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this really drives me nuts and i hope someone can help me with it,,

my 05 XJR started to rattle from engine bay,, i believe the engine itself rattles,, it rattles just like nuts in a jar,, the symptom can be described as the following:
  • it rattles in partial throttle on higher gear especially under load
  • rattles faster and louder as i press the gas pedal until engine sound takes over
  • no rattle if revved in neutral
  • all pulleys sounds ok
  • all covers/plates may wiggle removed from engine bay
  • revert back from MG CAI to stock air box
  • spare plugs replaced
  • coils checked ok
  • engine oil changed
  • rattle is completely independent from road surface and driving conditions
  • car performance is noticeably reduced
  • had a "restricted performance" twice and it went out immediately
  • even poured a bottle of liqui moly fuel injector cleaner in a full tank
i tried almost everything,, and am not sure if that rattle is actually a knocking detonation or anything else,,


please,, help,,
 
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:11 AM
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Loose catalyst brick maybe ?
 
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Fraser Mitchell
Loose catalyst brick maybe ?
tried to hammer them as well,, no rattle at all,,
 
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Old 12-04-2012, 03:52 PM
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i used torque app to read codes and it pulled P1646
long term fuel trim up to 3%
timing adv up to 50deg

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Old 12-05-2012, 01:30 AM
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According to my jaguar document P1646 is HO2 sensor control malfunction bank 1 upstream. ??
Looks like you need to replace it and perform two drive cyles before amber light reappears if problem remains


HEATED OXYGEN SENSORS MONITOR DRIVE CYCLE
Upstream (Universal) oxygen sensors:
1. Engine OFF; cooling fans inoperative > 20 seconds.
2. Start engine and bring to normal operating temperature > 82 °C (180 °F).
3. Drive the vehicle between 3000 – 4000 rpm in 3rd gear at a steady speed. Lift foot completely off accelerator
and coast to a stop within 30 seconds. Do not touch accelerator pedal for 4 seconds after coming to a stop.
4. Repeat step 3.

5. Idle engine for 11 minutes.
google code plenty of info around
 

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Old 12-06-2012, 01:46 PM
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switched upstream sensors and the code persists,,

am out of ideas,,
please,, help,,
 
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Old 12-06-2012, 02:35 PM
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Maybe A Knock Sensor if equipped.
 
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Old 12-06-2012, 08:04 PM
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is it possible that P1646 pops without a CEL?
if i didn't scan i wouldn't ever know about it,,
 
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by jaghound
Maybe A Knock Sensor if equipped.
if a knock sensor went out it would throw a code,, right?
 
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Old 12-09-2012, 06:49 AM
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Sounds like detonation to me.
 
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Old 12-09-2012, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Jag XJ8 Red
Sounds like detonation to me.
i totally agree,,
but still can't find a reason behind it,,
i checked short and long term fuel trims and they're perfect which eliminates fuel starvation and intake vacuum leak,, fuel pressure is always close to 60psi,,
could it be high IAT as i sometimes get a P2601 which relates to SC coolant pump? what is the normal operating IAT?
 
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Old 12-09-2012, 11:15 AM
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my guess is it is running excessively lean for some reason. You need a wideband O2 sensor.
 
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Old 12-10-2012, 12:56 AM
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i noticed that pinging is more likely as the ride goes longer,, no pinging in the first 15 minutes or so of riding after a cold start,,
 
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Old 12-10-2012, 12:58 AM
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i also found a TSB which instructs to reconfigure the ECM if a V8 SC engine exhibits knocking and pinging,, is that doable with SDD?
 
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