Exhaust Modification
#21
Just went through MF website.. 200cell cats are actually have metallic substrate material and looks pretty easy to flow. I chose ceramic material cats which looked exactly oem grade inside. May this influence on sound/drone? I just didn't want it smells but wanted to improve flow. How loud it is? Except drone at slight to mid load at 1800-2000 I would say it is "barely noticeable")) Not annoying definitely.
#22
After waiting a week for a stainless steel 2" crossover pipe I was informed today, by Car ID, that it will not be available until the 18th.
They were supposed to have TWO IN STOCK!!!
So now I am going to have other parts dependent upon this arrive and will just have to hope that the Car ID part will be available on the 18th.
I am not welding anything so depend upon slip fit and band clamps.
Also I understand that exhaust cutouts will fail any inspection in MA and most other states. So that idea is out.
They were supposed to have TWO IN STOCK!!!
So now I am going to have other parts dependent upon this arrive and will just have to hope that the Car ID part will be available on the 18th.
I am not welding anything so depend upon slip fit and band clamps.
Also I understand that exhaust cutouts will fail any inspection in MA and most other states. So that idea is out.
#23
I was thinking of doing the same thing and going 2.5", but at the time I only wanted to do the cats & x-pipe. Originally, I didn't want to change the rear section, but that sure changed when my cravings for more power and beefy V8 sound grew.
I have the following system:
MF 59975 200cell cats 2.25"
MF 10790 Tru-X pipe 2.25"
MF 14211 2.5" oval mufflers
New 2.25" pipe from the X-pipe back (not mandrel bent ), original tips have been extended.
Magnaflow recommended either the 14" deep oval mufflers, or 18" deep if I was still getting drone.
It's going to be a case of trial and error for you, until you get the sound you really like with very little/no drone.
Maybe Magnaflow X-pipe & 18" deep ovals might work? Contact Maganflow support and ask them what they recommend.
I have the following system:
MF 59975 200cell cats 2.25"
MF 10790 Tru-X pipe 2.25"
MF 14211 2.5" oval mufflers
New 2.25" pipe from the X-pipe back (not mandrel bent ), original tips have been extended.
Magnaflow recommended either the 14" deep oval mufflers, or 18" deep if I was still getting drone.
It's going to be a case of trial and error for you, until you get the sound you really like with very little/no drone.
Maybe Magnaflow X-pipe & 18" deep ovals might work? Contact Maganflow support and ask them what they recommend.
I didn't. Should i? That will be definately louder.. Because outlet from collector is actually 2.5".. I just wanted to make straight 2.5 all the way. I thought magnaflow's 2.5" is 2.5" but in reality they are 2,65".. that's why i used 67mm. Cats being cones from both sides easily shortened a bit to match 2.65, that was not an issue. I realized that when received them.. i mislead at my MF reseller or somewhere else about cats inlet size. But if you can see mine are actually bigger than used at nameless downpipes for example. They are rated for 4.4L bmw engines.. pretty close efficency for ours 4.2SC
What are your specs to compare?
What are your specs to compare?
#24
The Paramount bolt on 200 cel cats really did just slip in to the piping coming out of the front resonator with no problem.
The piping in and out of the resonators on my car is 2" OD which is why I want a 2" X-pipe. 2.25" will not be a tight fit as far as I can tell.
Wherever possible I want to fit pipe into the existing flared OEM pipe.
2" SS X-pipes seem to be rare as compared to 2.25" or 3" which are easily found on Ebay and every where else..
I was planning on replacing the rear resonator first to see what that sounded like and if necessary then going on and taking out the front resonator.
All of this keeping the stock mufflers.
The piping in and out of the resonators on my car is 2" OD which is why I want a 2" X-pipe. 2.25" will not be a tight fit as far as I can tell.
Wherever possible I want to fit pipe into the existing flared OEM pipe.
2" SS X-pipes seem to be rare as compared to 2.25" or 3" which are easily found on Ebay and every where else..
I was planning on replacing the rear resonator first to see what that sounded like and if necessary then going on and taking out the front resonator.
All of this keeping the stock mufflers.
#25
below is my chart for my concrete car and setup (because everything may change if get different pipe size or type of component or manufacturer). 5 mark is maximum for my taste:
setup 1: MF ceramic cats + true-X resonator in place of first stock resonator + big oval resonators in the rear =
sound mid pedaling - 5 (good deep and smooth rumble without rasp at all, ideal sound), wot sound - 3 (becomes quite), cruising drone - 1 (can't live with), overall loudness for gentleman's jag - 5, fun factor - 3 (because of quite wot)
setup 2: MF ceramic cats + H-pipe right after trans box + tru-X resonator in place of first stock resonator + big oval resonators in the rear =sound mid pedaling - 3 (sound became hollow with jag family "tock-tock" sound), wot sound - 3 (became louder but more harsh), cruising drone - 3 (almost gone, no headache level), overall loudness - 3 (significantly louder than was), fun - 3 (louder but sound worse)
setup 3: MF ceramic cats + H-pipe right after trans box + big oval resonators in the rear = sound mid pedaling - 2 (sounds like I have holes in my exhaust system), wot sound - 2 (dragster raw sound), cruising drone - 4 (all sound moved to the rear of the car), overall loudness - 1 (too much noise for super v8 executive boat), fun - 2 (significant disbalance between sound level and acceleration)
setup 4: MF ceramic cats + separate bullet type Vibrant resonators + big oval resonators in the rear = sound mid pedaling - 4.5 (louder than 1st setup but sound is phenomenal), wot sound - 5 (louder as it should be, but a bit of rasp), cruising drone - 3 (feels like in setup 2), overall loudness - 4 (I would make it quieter). fun - 6 (you're the king of the road and streets attention)
setup 5: Plan to change rear oval resonators for active once (x-force) to have the ability to "switch the lights off" or again weld in pure x-pipe (not tru-x resonator that was the source of drone as I figured out) but in the rear, just after bullet resonators. Not sure yet, as all who hear the car say: don't even think to change anything Time will tell..
#26
Excellent write up Alex.
I ended up with just deleting the front resonator and replacing it with an x-pipe.
With the rear resonator delete the sound was just way too loud so have settled with just deleting the front and keeping the stock rear.
I do not notice any increase in power but neither do I notice any decrease in power. Also no drone at cruising speed 75-85 mph.
I ended up with just deleting the front resonator and replacing it with an x-pipe.
With the rear resonator delete the sound was just way too loud so have settled with just deleting the front and keeping the stock rear.
I do not notice any increase in power but neither do I notice any decrease in power. Also no drone at cruising speed 75-85 mph.