I am losing oil in between oil changes , is it normal ?
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Hello fellows,
My 2004 Xj8 has 207,456 miles . And I do insterstate
driving like over $30,000 per year.
I recently replaced the VVT oil seal because they were leaking oil.
When I do the oil change I noticed That from underneath the car oil is coming done from the engine sides but it is just sticky not dripping.
The oil pan gasket is fine It was replaced 2 years ago or I. think it is, but I always has to clean up the sticky oil around it. And every time I do the oil change with the CastrolHigh Millage Synthetic Blend at 8,000 miles I’m losing a quart and a half . Is this normal ?
Do you think that leak was caused because I switched to Castrol SAE 5W-30 Synthetic Blend oil ?
Should I go back to Conventional Castrol SAE 5W-30 oil?
My mechanic told me that the early Jaguars like the 2004 XJ8 I have does not call for Synthetic .
I’m confused at this point, I just don’t want to start replacing all gaskets and seals .
thanks in advance
My 2004 Xj8 has 207,456 miles . And I do insterstate
driving like over $30,000 per year.
I recently replaced the VVT oil seal because they were leaking oil.
When I do the oil change I noticed That from underneath the car oil is coming done from the engine sides but it is just sticky not dripping.
The oil pan gasket is fine It was replaced 2 years ago or I. think it is, but I always has to clean up the sticky oil around it. And every time I do the oil change with the CastrolHigh Millage Synthetic Blend at 8,000 miles I’m losing a quart and a half . Is this normal ?
Do you think that leak was caused because I switched to Castrol SAE 5W-30 Synthetic Blend oil ?
Should I go back to Conventional Castrol SAE 5W-30 oil?
My mechanic told me that the early Jaguars like the 2004 XJ8 I have does not call for Synthetic .
I’m confused at this point, I just don’t want to start replacing all gaskets and seals .
thanks in advance
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For me 8,000 between oil changes is way too infrequent no matter what oil companies/ car manufacturers claim.
It also gives people an excuse not to check oil levels frequently I think.
Synthetic oils stand up to heat better than natural oil as well as other benefits.
Driving your car around with 1.5 quarts down is in my opinion not a good idea.
You may well have leaky rocker cover gaskets causing the oil leaking down sides of engine.
In checking oil if it is very dark/black it is compromised to some extent at the very least.
Down 1.5 quarts at 8,000 miles may be a bit on the high side but at your mileage maybe not.
It also gives people an excuse not to check oil levels frequently I think.
Synthetic oils stand up to heat better than natural oil as well as other benefits.
Driving your car around with 1.5 quarts down is in my opinion not a good idea.
You may well have leaky rocker cover gaskets causing the oil leaking down sides of engine.
In checking oil if it is very dark/black it is compromised to some extent at the very least.
Down 1.5 quarts at 8,000 miles may be a bit on the high side but at your mileage maybe not.
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Hello fellows,
My 2004 Xj8 has 207,456 miles . And I do insterstate
driving like over $30,000 per year.
I recently replaced the VVT oil seal because they were leaking oil.
When I do the oil change I noticed That from underneath the car oil is coming done from the engine sides but it is just sticky not dripping.
The oil pan gasket is fine It was replaced 2 years ago or I. think it is, but I always has to clean up the sticky oil around it. And every time I do the oil change with the CastrolHigh Millage Synthetic Blend at 8,000 miles I’m losing a quart and a half . Is this normal ?
Do you think that leak was caused because I switched to Castrol SAE 5W-30 Synthetic Blend oil ?
Should I go back to Conventional Castrol SAE 5W-30 oil?
My mechanic told me that the early Jaguars like the 2004 XJ8 I have does not call for Synthetic .
I’m confused at this point, I just don’t want to start replacing all gaskets and seals .
thanks in advance
My 2004 Xj8 has 207,456 miles . And I do insterstate
driving like over $30,000 per year.
I recently replaced the VVT oil seal because they were leaking oil.
When I do the oil change I noticed That from underneath the car oil is coming done from the engine sides but it is just sticky not dripping.
The oil pan gasket is fine It was replaced 2 years ago or I. think it is, but I always has to clean up the sticky oil around it. And every time I do the oil change with the CastrolHigh Millage Synthetic Blend at 8,000 miles I’m losing a quart and a half . Is this normal ?
Do you think that leak was caused because I switched to Castrol SAE 5W-30 Synthetic Blend oil ?
Should I go back to Conventional Castrol SAE 5W-30 oil?
My mechanic told me that the early Jaguars like the 2004 XJ8 I have does not call for Synthetic .
I’m confused at this point, I just don’t want to start replacing all gaskets and seals .
thanks in advance
The stability performance benefits of using synthetic stock over conventional oils is so well documented it doesn't make sense to return to conventional. Oil use will be of either loss through leak, or through cook off, or ingestion into the intake. As you already have a couple of hundred thousand miles, I would strongly suggest a flush using BG EPR #109. This will give the oil control and compression rings a decent cleaning. This will also help reduce the combustion gasses passed into the crankcase and help reduce ingestion through the PCV. I would also after the flush replace the PCV and consider replacing the valve cover gaskets.
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2 1/2 US quarts in 8,000 miles ... that's 1,700 miles per Imperial pint ... on a 4.2L (?) eight cylinder engine (remember that's two 2 litre four cyl engines) that's done 200,000 miles ... I'd say that was very good. Assuming you haven't got any leaks then on an engine that size I wouldn't worry until you get down to less 500 per pint (imp) ie 900 per US quart.
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I think you need to switch to a high mileage full synthetic. And shorten intervals to 5,000 miles. Walmart has the oil for 26.00 for five quarts. Four jugs is three changes.
Look on the belly pan to see leaks also. Clean it to make fresh oil easier to spot.
With 200,000 plus miles more frequent oil changes are a good thing.The blowby increases and the oil gets contaminated faster.
Plus you would only be 1 quart down at changes if consumption stays flat.
Look on the belly pan to see leaks also. Clean it to make fresh oil easier to spot.
With 200,000 plus miles more frequent oil changes are a good thing.The blowby increases and the oil gets contaminated faster.
Plus you would only be 1 quart down at changes if consumption stays flat.
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I think you need to switch to a high mileage full synthetic. And shorten intervals to 5,000 miles. Walmart has the oil for 26.00 for five quarts. Four jugs is three changes.
Look on the belly pan to see leaks also. Clean it to make fresh oil easier to spot.
With 200,000 plus miles more frequent oil changes are a good thing.The blowby increases and the oil gets contaminated faster.
Plus you would only be 1 quart down at changes if consumption stays flat.
Look on the belly pan to see leaks also. Clean it to make fresh oil easier to spot.
With 200,000 plus miles more frequent oil changes are a good thing.The blowby increases and the oil gets contaminated faster.
Plus you would only be 1 quart down at changes if consumption stays flat.
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I said that every time I change the oil at 8,000 miles I lost 1 1/2 quart
so I’m putting in 6.1 quarts as per jaguar specs and at the time of my oil change at 8,000 miles I get 5 Quarts out.
so I am assuming that most engines lose some oil overtime, my concern was if it is normal for an engine with 207,100 miles to loose some in oil change intervals
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While more frequent changes are certainly good, it doesn't address the cause of blow-by and one of the conditions that happens with the AJ33/AJ34 engines. After about 60k~80k miles, they are prone to carbon build up and need cleaning. Most folks do attempt the intake track side, but seldom do owners take care of the lower end. Newer designs like the AJ engines utilize a lower tension, chrome-flashed ring to not only reduce engine wear, but also reduce internal friction. This does however, leave them susceptible to carbon build up, and certainly becoming glued to the piston by carbon build up. Conventional oil usage, and extended drain intervals only make this condition worse, and the specified oil for the AJ33 was synthetic blend, and not conventional oils. (WSS-M2C913-B) Since the OP does have over 200k, I would again strongly suggest a flush with BG EPR #109, ran for 20~25 minutes after complete engine warm up. (this is required since it's solvent action won't begin until full operating temp is reached) This will unglue the oil control rings so they are free to once again do their job, and free compression rings to once again better control blow-by, the primary reason for heavy oil misting through the PVC, leaving pools of oil in the N/A engines, and contributing to intercooler clogging on supercharged variants.
Who doesn't want less oil consumption, more power and better compression?
Who doesn't want less oil consumption, more power and better compression?
Last edited by Box; 07-07-2018 at 01:19 PM.
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None of my cars have used oil in the last 30 years. So no, it is not normal. But at 207,000 miles it can be expected. About 180,000 is most I have put on a car.
I had some 1960’s and 1970’s US cars that used oil almost from day one. At least a quart every 3,500 miles. All I owned did. Whether 20,000 miles or 80,000 I checked the oil every two or three tanks of gas.
We run 3/4 ton pickups at work and they go 250,000 without using oil if maintained. Gas or diesel. This is hundreds of pickups.
I had some 1960’s and 1970’s US cars that used oil almost from day one. At least a quart every 3,500 miles. All I owned did. Whether 20,000 miles or 80,000 I checked the oil every two or three tanks of gas.
We run 3/4 ton pickups at work and they go 250,000 without using oil if maintained. Gas or diesel. This is hundreds of pickups.
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I would again strongly suggest a flush with BG ERP #109, ran for 20~25 minutes after complete engine warm up. (this is required since it's solvent action won't begin until full operating temp is reached) This will unglue the oil control rings so they are free to once again do their job, and free compression rings to once again better control blow-by, the primary reason for heavy oil misting through the PVC, leaving pools of oil in the N/A engines, and contributing to intercooler clogging on supercharged variants.
Who doesn't want less oil consumption, more power and better compression?
Who doesn't want less oil consumption, more power and better compression?
Thinking of my boat engine here.
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You add to the oil before change. One 11ounce can per every 4~5 quarts of oil. On a 7~8 quart fill pan they suggest 2 11ounce cans. Drain as quickly as possible, as the suspended carbon will settle if you allow the engine to cool before drain. 109 is a Naphthalene solvent based from standard mineral oil cracking process and it's mixture is very effective and quite safe for all internals, gaskets and rubbers.
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You misunderstood,
I said that every time I change the oil at 8,000 miles I lost 1 1/2 quart
so I’m putting in 6.1 quarts as per jaguar specs and at the time of my oil change at 8,000 miles I get 5 Quarts out.
so I am assuming that most engines lose some oil overtime, my concern was if it is normal for an engine with 207,100 miles to loose some in oil change intervals
No way should you be running the engine so short of oil.
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The BG EPR #109 sounds interesting. I just changed my oil, will wait for next service. I am very cautious on products like this. Will drain oil twice after adding to guarantee most is gone before running it a full interval.
I need to clean the inter coolers, at 110,000 they should be nasty.
I need to clean the inter coolers, at 110,000 they should be nasty.
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The BG EPR #109 sounds interesting. I just changed my oil, will wait for next service. I am very cautious on products like this. Will drain oil twice after adding to guarantee most is gone before running it a full interval.
I need to clean the inter coolers, at 110,000 they should be nasty.
I need to clean the inter coolers, at 110,000 they should be nasty.
BG 109 isn't a product to clean top end, like your intercoolers. Napthalenes and ethers will by it's very nature (lighter ends of the cracking process of crude oil) evaporate very quickly, which is why you need to drain the oil while hot, otherwise the carbon you just got finished breaking free will redeposit itself back into the engine. Using a couple of quarts of fresh oil after draining and replacing the plug, priming a new filter and then cranking the engine over until oil pressure is delivered, and then drain that out is a good practice.
If you wanted a BG product that is intended for effective cleaning on the top end, use #206 Air Intake System Cleaner. You will need a delivery system as well. For upper end cleaning that is as effective get 2 cans of 3M Intake System Cleaner.
Last edited by Box; 07-08-2018 at 10:09 AM.
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I think you need to switch to a high mileage full synthetic. And shorten intervals to 5,000 miles. Walmart has the oil for 26.00 for five quarts. Four jugs is three changes.
Look on the belly pan to see leaks also. Clean it to make fresh oil easier to spot.
With 200,000 plus miles more frequent oil changes are a good thing.The blowby increases and the oil gets contaminated faster.
Plus you would only be 1 quart down at changes if consumption stays flat.
Look on the belly pan to see leaks also. Clean it to make fresh oil easier to spot.
With 200,000 plus miles more frequent oil changes are a good thing.The blowby increases and the oil gets contaminated faster.
Plus you would only be 1 quart down at changes if consumption stays flat.
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thank you , i have been thinking in doing so but I’m afraid of going full synthetic because I think it will be harsh for the seals and gaskets since my miles are above 207,000 just my opinion also I looked in the manual (2004 XJ8) and only says , “ Jaguar recommends Castrol 5W 30”. It does not say anything else about synthetic, Conventional or blend so I guess it’s up to the driver. I will give it a try with the K&N filter
Actually Jaguar document VSB07/2004 specifies the type of oil to be utilized. Original fill and recommended spec was WSS-M2C913-B which is a semi-synthetic 5W-30. Jaguar's current recommendation for all vehicle lines, including recommended for the 4.2L is Castrol Full Synthetic Professional w/FST technology. (liquid titanium additive) Virtually everything that is out there today on the market is Type-III made from base oil stock, even Pennzoil, which is re-condensed from natural gas. Even Mobil is Type-III and not those synthetics that bring with them issues like PAO Type-IV or Ester based Type-V stock, so concerns with seals is rather misguided.
Last edited by Box; 07-08-2018 at 04:30 PM.
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With a high-miles engine as yours is, the oil will be disappearing down the inlet valve guides. There is serious vacuum on the inlet side, plus a lot of oil sloshing around to keep the cams lubricated, so seals are placed on the inlet valve guides to stop oil loss. The seals have to allow a certain amount through to lubricate the guides but not too much. I had a similar problem with my Mazda Xedos 9, but never fixed the problem as I part-exed it for a Rover 75. The old Jaguar XK engines really drank oil until seals were put on the inlet guides. About a point of oil every 200-250 miles !!
So, replace the seals and the oil loss will diminish. Not a simple job, though, you have to lift the heads
So, replace the seals and the oil loss will diminish. Not a simple job, though, you have to lift the heads