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Old 05-24-2015, 03:11 PM
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Question Nav touch => Separate Climate + 2DIN

Hello guys!
I am reading threads about this theme some days in the row.
I have 2006 XJ with the original SAT NAV touch screen.
I want to remove it and to install separate climate control control panel and 2DIN kenwood.
The problem I have for the moment:
can't find wiring diagram.

Look:
Sat nav connector is bigger than the climate control connector.





I have bought this item with the connector and cutted wires.

Can anybody help me with any instruction?
Don't want to blow something by connecting wires by the colors only.

Thanks in advance for you help!
 
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Old 05-24-2015, 03:43 PM
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If you remove the OEM screen you will not have access to some functions like the climate control that are controlled on the screen as well as the button functions.
You could use voice for most of the climate functions but not for things like the fan speed, heated screens, defrost ect

A better way imho is to add a video interface and fist a new android unit to that.
This way you retain all of the OEM functions and screen but can switch to the new unit.

This is the way I have done mine
The Android blackbox is mounted under the steering wheel and I have and Aux SD input and SDD hdd in the glove box.
The GPS antenna is run back to the parcel shelf

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Originally Posted by 34by151
If you remove the OEM screen you will not have access to some functions like the climate control that are controlled on the screen as well as the button functions.
But why if I want to install separate climate?
There are all functions I need to do with the climate
 
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Old 05-24-2015, 04:03 PM
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So, again:
Here is what I have for the moment



And here is what I want to achieve by this modifications
 
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Old 05-24-2015, 04:45 PM
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If you retrofit non navigation the only thing I think you will loose is the heated front screen although you could easily add a switch and do a minor rewire for that.

You will also have to bypass (loop) the db2 harness when removing the head unit, and in the boot when removing the rest.

Im sure others will be interested in the parts as well to do a nav upgrade

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Old 05-25-2015, 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by 34by151
You will also have to bypass (loop) the db2 harness when removing the head unit, and in the boot when removing the rest.
Can you explain more about this?
 
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Old 05-25-2015, 03:55 AM
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And again the main question about the wires and connectors.

Touch connector is bigger and it has much more wires.
How to cut old harness and to connect to the separate climate module connector ?
 
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Old 05-25-2015, 04:34 AM
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What you need to do is remove the nav system and associated components

The pinouts are clearly laid out in the electrical diagrams
I suggest you read the thread on retro fitting the nav as you need to do the opposite

The Nav head unit itself has 5 Connectors.
These being (From the Denso repair Manual)

CN500 - D2B fibre connection
CN400 - Data Connection
CN100 - Data and Touch connection to the Nav DVD
CN200 - RGBS Connection to the Nav DVD
CN300 - Audio and Mic
CN700 - Antenna

All of these are also laid out in the electrical diagram

When you remove the head unit you will be breaking the d2b bus and this needs to be in a loop

So you will need a loop for the dashboard area when you remove the head unit, Phone or bum and in the boot for the nav dvd, DVD and or CD units

Again this is all laid out int the threads on retro fitting the nav however I have included the pinouts on the back of the nav for you

Cheers
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Thanks!
I found 2 topics with my problem:
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/s...s-77246/page2/

and
here
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...s-info-102632/



As I understand - I have to find climate control module under the dash.
Here it is:



How to connect it with my climate button-control module ?
 
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Old 05-25-2015, 06:24 AM
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Its clearly stated in the electrical diagram you can download this but I would also suggest you download and install the JTIS and JEPC

The Head unit and standalone module have a different harness that connects to the climate module however you also need to remove the other modules like the nav dvd, and phone/bum as well as reprogram the car with sdd

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Study the electrical diagram. What you have is called Remote climate control module (RCCM) - it is controlled by the nav unit either via CAN or SCP - it does not support the display panel you have bought. The connector on the touch screen is for the nav unit only it has nothing to do with climate control.

You need to replace the RCCM with regular climate control module (CCM) - that has two connectors one for the climate parts and one for the display panel you have - obviously you would also need a harness to connect the two.

Also you would need to rip all jag audio components since they won't interface with your double DIN head unit - this is the D2B part 34by151 was alluding to. You would need to route the audio from the front head unit to the back - that is where all speaker wires are connected to the amplifier. You can not re-use the existing amp it only has digital D2B input.

I assume the head unit has some adapter to understand the steering wheel controls - these are standard resistor network, connected to the CD-player in the front.
 

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Here are two pictures of the CCM vs RCCM connectors you can see the CCM (white) has an extra connector in the middle for the control panel.
 
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Old 05-31-2015, 03:42 AM
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Thanks for the additional information.

About the audio:
I have already installed double-din & sub & new amp & new speakers for the front.

But my nav touch screen with climate is now in the glove compartment )))



And I am tired of setting the temp & fan speed from there.

Can you give me the link (ebay if possible) of what I should buy to install this separate ccm?
 
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Old 05-31-2015, 03:55 AM
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So, I need to buy now this module to replace mine?
Jaguar XJ8 XJ8L 2005 05 Climate AC Heater Temperature Control Module | eBay

and as I see there are inserted connectors in the module, so I can just enlarge wires to connect it? Or I need to buy additional harness?
 
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You should be able to re-use the existing connectors. Just make sure you connect the correct wires together - the electrical diagram is your friend - page44.

By the looks of it you will need extra power for the control panel.
 
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Originally Posted by veffremov
the electrical diagram is your friend - page44.

By the looks of it you will need extra power for the control panel.
In the top is PDF with diagram - is it? I can't see the page 44

And you haven't answered about buying this module
Jaguar XJ8 XJ8L 2005 05 Climate AC Heater Temperature Control Module | eBay
 
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I have a 2004 XJ8, 30 K miles.
NO Nav but has Alpine Speakers, so thinking that is premimum sound?
I truly need bluetooth for voice calls in California as well as GPS and Sat,.
I have decided to do a double din replacement

I have seperate Climate Controls.
will i have to re run all speaker wires, as they are fiber optic?
Will disconnecting the fiber loop from the oem head unit cause other issues with the car?

The New all in one head unit looks like 800 bucks..
how many hoyrs for a shop to do the install? Thanks!!
 
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Old 06-06-2015, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by winefan94920
will i have to re run all speaker wires, as they are fiber optic?
No, you can leave same wires for speakers. But you need new amplifier and you should connect existing speakers with existing wires to the new amp
Originally Posted by winefan94920
Will disconnecting the fiber loop from the oem head unit cause other issues with the car?
It shouldn't give you any errors or issues as I know.
 
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Originally Posted by jaguar-moldova
In the top is PDF with diagram - is it? I can't see the page 44

And you haven't answered about buying this module
Jaguar XJ8 XJ8L 2005 05 Climate AC Heater Temperature Control Module | eBay
Don't need climate unit as mine is separate no factory nav
 
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Old 06-30-2015, 02:27 PM
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Hi Jaguar-Moldova

Would you consider selling me your OEM touchscreen, its navigation system disc unit in the trunk and harness?

I have double din screen and would like to replace it with a touch screen unit.

Tx
Seth
 


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