XJ XJ6 / XJ8 / XJR ( X350 & X358 ) 2003 - 2009

Overcharged! Too Much Freon? XJ

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 07-10-2013, 09:46 PM
kchirume's Avatar
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: dallas, tx
Posts: 33
Received 4 Likes on 3 Posts
Default Overcharged! Too Much Freon? XJ

My AC was cold but not cold enough so i tried to add air conditioner from auto zone, it was showing in the green range on the gauge but i added a little bit more and its now in the red. Today when i drove my car my AC is worst, its not cold, is there anyway i can takeout some of the freon!
 
  #2  
Old 07-11-2013, 06:14 AM
Fraser Mitchell's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Crewe, England
Posts: 9,404
Received 2,450 Likes on 1,948 Posts
Default

The climate control systems are complex. If it were me, I'd take it to an aircon specialist to get the system checked out.
 
The following users liked this post:
kchirume (07-12-2013)
  #3  
Old 07-11-2013, 08:20 AM
GGG's Avatar
GGG
GGG is offline
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Durham, UK
Posts: 120,461
Received 16,849 Likes on 12,184 Posts
Default

Your AC system has a Pressure Cut Off Switch:

Overcharged! Too Much Freon? XJ-x350-ac-pressure-cut-off-switch.jpg

The switch is located in the A/C compressor discharge line and communicates with the ECM. If high or low refrigerant pressures are experienced, the ECM will interrupt A/C compressor operation.

High pressure explains why you have no cooling.

Graham
 
The following users liked this post:
kchirume (07-12-2013)
  #4  
Old 07-12-2013, 07:03 AM
Clamdigger's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Toms River, NJ
Posts: 572
Received 61 Likes on 50 Posts
Default

Don't fool around, take it to a shop that specializes in A/C, you don't have t take it to a dealer.
 
The following users liked this post:
kchirume (07-12-2013)
  #5  
Old 07-12-2013, 07:12 AM
JimC64's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Glasgow, Scotland UK
Posts: 47,302
Received 9,006 Likes on 4,113 Posts
Default



+1 on all of the above

Too much gas in the system as well as too little can cause issues.

On mine for example, the range is from 530 - 550 plus or minus 20 which would be from 510 -570
 
The following users liked this post:
kchirume (07-12-2013)
  #6  
Old 07-12-2013, 10:40 PM
kchirume's Avatar
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: dallas, tx
Posts: 33
Received 4 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

I took it to my local jag shop, they took out all the freon and filled it up again. Now its working as it was before i tried to add more freon. Its still not cold enough for this Texas heat. any ideals on how i can make it colder
 
The following users liked this post:
Thermite (07-25-2013)
  #7  
Old 07-13-2013, 04:27 AM
Fraser Mitchell's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Crewe, England
Posts: 9,404
Received 2,450 Likes on 1,948 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by kchirume
I took it to my local jag shop, they took out all the freon and filled it up again. Now its working as it was before i tried to add more freon. Its still not cold enough for this Texas heat. any ideals on how i can make it colder
What temperature have you set on the console ? Eventually, the degrees figure changes to 'Lo'. The cooled temperature has to be above freezing to stop the evaporator from freezing up with ice.
 
  #8  
Old 07-13-2013, 05:57 AM
Partick the Cat's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Gloucestershire, England
Posts: 1,055
Received 306 Likes on 224 Posts
Default

Do you let it run with 'AUTO' selected ? That should give you the maximum cooling set up.

If not then make sure you have the RECIRC button pressed and the air set to come out of the upper outlets rather than the lower ones. I find directing the air onto my arms very effective.
 
The following users liked this post:
JimC64 (07-13-2013)
  #9  
Old 07-13-2013, 10:56 AM
ryejag's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: New Hamphire
Posts: 408
Received 50 Likes on 46 Posts
Default

How does the AC work when you have been on a long trip? The AC may not cool well on short trips. I find my AC in NH works quite well, at least in part by living in NH not Texas!
 
  #10  
Old 07-25-2013, 09:59 AM
Thermite's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Northern Virginia and Hong Kong
Posts: 820
Received 181 Likes on 163 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by kchirume
I took it to my local jag shop, they took out all the freon and filled it up again. Now its working as it was before i tried to add more freon. Its still not cold enough for this Texas heat. any ideals on how i can make it colder
Yes, but not by messing with the refrigerant charge. Too much pain, too little gain.

You would need some re-engineering, and are limited by available space, the shape of that space, and the airflow to and from it.

The most basic trick is to change to a larger and/or more thermally efficient heat exchanger coil set for the condenser side of the circuit. Copper, for example, has roughly triple the conductivity of the more commonly used aluminium. That said, even a more conductive tube and fin array still has to get enough air over it to take advantage.

There just have to be at least a few specialists who do modifications of luxury vehicles for the Oil Potentates of the uber-hot Middle East and as well as the US South West, Mexico and South, parts of Asia.

The experts are out there, even if more familiar with Hummers and the like than Jaguars.
 
  #11  
Old 07-25-2013, 03:44 PM
PigletJohn's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Sunny South
Posts: 373
Received 49 Likes on 40 Posts
Default

is there any chance of dirt and fluff clogging the cabin filter or the evaporator?

I had mine recharged today, they sucked out 600g of old refrigerant and put in 800g back to full, didn't seem to me to make much difference. It is hotter than usual here. the tech said he measured the cold at 6.6C which seems pretty cold, but the interior stayed above 17C while I did a couple of 5-mile journeys. It is rather hotter and sunnier than usual here at the moment but I don't think it has been above 32C outside.

The car maintains a comfortable internal temperature, but, if I let it, blows hard when I get in after it has been parked in the sun. I find opening the windows for a minute on the blipper cools it down fastest.

p.s.
it cost me £49 incl refrigerant and oil. ($75US). I wouldn't bother DIYing it.
 

Last edited by PigletJohn; 07-25-2013 at 03:46 PM.
  #12  
Old 07-25-2013, 03:53 PM
jimbov8's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Uk
Posts: 2,069
Received 664 Likes on 572 Posts
Default

6.6 is about right. Check the pollen filter. If that is clogged you will get a reduced air flow across the evaporator.
 
  #13  
Old 07-26-2013, 08:04 AM
ryejag's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: New Hamphire
Posts: 408
Received 50 Likes on 46 Posts
Default

Well I guess I should be happy that I live in NH! I would suppose that someone could design either a larger condenser coil or perhaps increase the size of the cooling fan to allow better Freon cooling. That may not be the limiting factor but it would be in the right direction. I believe a larger cooling fan may be the easiest approach to investigate.
RyeJag
 
  #14  
Old 07-27-2013, 06:14 AM
Clamdigger's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Toms River, NJ
Posts: 572
Received 61 Likes on 50 Posts
Default

Here in NJ its been real hot, 98 to 104 with heat index hitting 120. I roll down all four windows and open the roof for the first two minutes when I start off and roll them up when I feel the duct blowing cold. I think the system works very well and I have a black interior. It makes me think Kchirume has a problem some where in his system and does not need to reinvent the wheel.
 
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
johanasu
X-Type ( X400 )
5
09-03-2015 12:39 PM
Rigsby94
X-Type ( X400 )
4
05-10-2012 09:20 AM
baffourg
X-Type ( X400 )
19
01-27-2012 09:23 AM
Jeff96
XJ XJ6 / XJR6 ( X300 )
18
08-15-2011 10:16 AM

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 


Quick Reply: Overcharged! Too Much Freon? XJ



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:15 AM.