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Old 07-06-2019, 04:04 PM
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When removing the upper arm, the manual doesn't mention the brake line hose that runs down the middle of it. It actually shows the hose running behind.. anyone else run into this? Any issues in disconnecting the brake line real quick and reconnecting? In my old Camry it wouldn't be an issue, haven't touch that part of the Jag yet.
 
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Old 07-08-2019, 02:37 PM
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Yes, I discovered the same thing when I replaced mine. Got some new crush washers from NAPA that were the same size.
 
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Yup. No way around it. I did this several years ago so I can't recall if I ended up doing a bleed afterwards or not.
 
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Same here but I didn't bleed that time.
 
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The manual does not show it needs to be done because it theyre computer generated and not aware that the lines are in the way and have to be moved so they dont pay for a brake bleed. Uh okay so ill just remove the lines and not bleed the air out and the customer can have a sponge pedal then right? Ext warranty companies are the worst."it doesnt show that so we arent paying!" have sent picture in showing there is no way around it and it has to be bled when done! I swear if the workshop manual didnt say to add oil on a oil and filter change they wouldnt pay for that either. Common sense is not very common anymore. I always bleed the rear brakes when done wether paid or not. This is one of many proceedures i have filed for correction with jaguar on the feedback sections they have. What do they do? They deleted the feedback section and never changed. You know the old saying. If i dont know something its of no concern of mine.
 
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With the brakes, is there a way to stop the fluid from constantly draining when disconnected? with rubber lines you're able to pinch it off easily, I assume I'll end up losing a bit of fluid in this process with the metal lines.
 
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Originally Posted by mhamilton
Yes, I discovered the same thing when I replaced mine. Got some new crush washers from NAPA that were the same size.
Ah, new crush washers are needed where it connects to the caliper?
 
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with the brakes, is there a way to stop the fluid from constantly draining when disconnected? With rubber lines you're able to pinch it off easily, i assume i'll end up losing a bit of fluid in this process with the metal lines.
just have the arm aLready unbolted ready to remove. Then unbolt the 14mm bolt, slip the arm and line apart and slide the new arm in. Then bolt the line back up. You will loose a little fluid but not much if you do it this way. Then you can gravity bleed, vacuum or pressure bleed whn done with both sides
 
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Strange the routing, one would think IF the routing was done this way.

The caliper itself would fit through the space provided.

Is it possible to reroute the stock line, or is it just too short?
 
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with the brakes, is there a way to stop the fluid from constantly draining when disconnected? With rubber lines you're able to pinch it off easily, i assume i'll end up losing a bit of fluid in this process with the metal lines.
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strange the routing, one would think if the routing was done this way.

The caliper itself would fit through the space provided.

Is it possible to reroute the stock line, or is it just too short?
no you cant reroute, and caliper fit through? Way more work since you would also have to remove the caliper and the parking brake cable. It is what it is just have to deal with it. Try getting one where the ahole at the factory put the upper arm bolts in from the outside instead of through the middle. You then have to drop the subframe down to remove the rear upper bolt from the a arm. Thankfully i have only run into a couple. They go in real easy on the factory floor before the rear subfram goes in as an assembly. Just dont come out because they hit the body.
 
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Originally Posted by Brutal
Try getting one where the ahole at the factory put the upper arm bolts in from the outside instead of through the middle. You then have to drop the subframe down to remove the rear upper bolt from the a arm. Thankfully i have only run into a couple. They go in real easy on the factory floor before the rear subfram goes in as an assembly. Just dont come out because they hit the body.
Wow a true ahole! That is horrible!
 
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Just which Jaguars have this set up?????

Hopefully not on the XJ8's, i'll have to look.
 
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Originally Posted by Brutal
Try getting one where the ahole at the factory put the upper arm bolts in from the outside instead of through the middle.
That was mine! I was pissed..though I miraculously wiggled it out...took about 30 min of wiggling.
 
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Originally Posted by tfg1067
that was mine! I was pissed..though i miraculously wiggled it out...took about 30 min of wiggling.
i hope you at least put them back in the right way
 
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Originally Posted by TFG1067
With the brakes, is there a way to stop the fluid from constantly draining when disconnected? with rubber lines you're able to pinch it off easily, I assume I'll end up losing a bit of fluid in this process with the metal lines.
One trick I use is to put cling-film under the reservoir cap, and tighten the cap down. Blocks the vent hole, and prevents any fluid escaping.
I'd still bleed the brakes though: just convince yourself it 'needed doing anyway' !
In fact, I'll be doing this soon: I've just done my Front Upper Control Arms, and need to do the Rears. All the boots are/were perished...

I use the same trick to seal a partially used bottle of brake fluid (for a few months max). Yes, I know they say 'use a fresh bottle every time' but that gets wasteful with multiple vehicles...
 
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Originally Posted by Brutal
. Try getting one where the ahole at the factory put the upper arm bolts in from the outside instead of through the middle. You then have to drop the subframe down to remove the rear upper bolt from the a arm. Thankfully i have only run into a couple. They go in real easy on the factory floor before the rear subfram goes in as an assembly. Just dont come out because they hit the body.
i ran into this problem, angle grinder solved it in 15 seconds 👍
 

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Quickest, easiest way, as long as the replacements are of an equal or better grade quality.
 
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