Squeaky belt sound at startup.
#21
Hey man, sorry for the late reply but no, we haven't got time to change the pump/thermostat yet
Anyway I got a chance to ride in the car, and this is how it went:
-Cold start: Louder squeal than the one in the video I posted above back before changing the belt/pulley, seems to be more consistent.
-RPM dropped to 800: The squeak is less louder, but it still exist.
-Driving: When the rpm goes up to 2000, the squeal can be heard again until the engine has fully warmed up.
The funny thing is that it didn't squeal at all when we replaced both pulley/belt, it was buttery smooth/quiet until we cleaned the Electric Throttle Body, that's where the squeal returns again and sometimes a clang/clunking sound appears as well when cold starting it.
Honestly I have no clue why that clunking sound appears along with the belt squeak returning...
Anyway I got a chance to ride in the car, and this is how it went:
-Cold start: Louder squeal than the one in the video I posted above back before changing the belt/pulley, seems to be more consistent.
-RPM dropped to 800: The squeak is less louder, but it still exist.
-Driving: When the rpm goes up to 2000, the squeal can be heard again until the engine has fully warmed up.
The funny thing is that it didn't squeal at all when we replaced both pulley/belt, it was buttery smooth/quiet until we cleaned the Electric Throttle Body, that's where the squeal returns again and sometimes a clang/clunking sound appears as well when cold starting it.
Honestly I have no clue why that clunking sound appears along with the belt squeak returning...
#22
The reason belts squeak after a start-up then die down is because starting the engine uses a lot of amps, so the alternator will be pumping those amps back into the battery to recharge it and thus put a load on the belt causing it to slip. After the engine has warmed up after several minutes or a few miles of driving, the alternator ceases to put out so many amps, and the load on the belt reduces and the squeak stops.
#23
I would not leave the belt squealing. It only needs to slip like that a couple of times and your belt is toast. They rapidly wear the tiny Vs which drive it and then sit on the top of the pulley and bottom of the grooves. If you are sure it is the belt squealing, and pulleys/belt are good, then first look would be your tensioner, The internals may be failing/jamming or it may not be mounted correctly. You will have to look at your belt to see if it is still functional. Look at the bottom of the grooves, if they are shiny you will need a new belt again. Don't put your new one on until you have checked your tensioner.
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#24
#25
I would not leave the belt squealing. It only needs to slip like that a couple of times and your belt is toast. They rapidly wear the tiny Vs which drive it and then sit on the top of the pulley and bottom of the grooves. If you are sure it is the belt squealing, and pulleys/belt are good, then first look would be your tensioner, The internals may be failing/jamming or it may not be mounted correctly. You will have to look at your belt to see if it is still functional. Look at the bottom of the grooves, if they are shiny you will need a new belt again. Don't put your new one on until you have checked your tensioner.
Honestly it only came back when me and my dad cleaned the Throttle Body (Which is on another thread called "Jaguar Idling Inconsistency" where this and even more troubles came up).
Last edited by TommyBoah; 01-28-2021 at 01:42 PM.
#26
Well, we would have replaced the waterworks-related stuff too, but we don't have enough tools to work on it sadly .
#27
If you are sure the belt slipping/squeeling, is making the noise and the belt is OK - no shiny parts at the bottom of the grooves - then the tensioner is still suspect. How did you check it? When you push down on one of the long runs of belt between pulleys it should have quite a high force necessary to get motion.
Is that the same belt that was on while you were cleaning the throttle body?
Is that the same belt that was on while you were cleaning the throttle body?
#28
If you are sure the belt slipping/squeeling, is making the noise and the belt is OK - no shiny parts at the bottom of the grooves - then the tensioner is still suspect. How did you check it? When you push down on one of the long runs of belt between pulleys it should have quite a high force necessary to get motion.
Is that the same belt that was on while you were cleaning the throttle body?
Is that the same belt that was on while you were cleaning the throttle body?
And the belt that was on is the new one we replaced when we were cleaning the Throttle Body.
#30
Since you covered the belt area, while cleaning, and there are no shiny spots at the bottom of the Vs - Are you sure the tensioner was not putting up a fight, while taking it off, because it is slightly seized? It then may be putting too little tension on the belt? Are you 100% sure the belt is the correct length? 1/2 inch can be enough to make it slip since the tensioner is near the end of travel into the weaker spring force.
#31
Since you covered the belt area, while cleaning, and there are no shiny spots at the bottom of the Vs - Are you sure the tensioner was not putting up a fight, while taking it off, because it is slightly seized? It then may be putting too little tension on the belt? Are you 100% sure the belt is the correct length? 1/2 inch can be enough to make it slip since the tensioner is near the end of travel into the weaker spring force.
The belt length is about the same as the original belt I believe.
#34
Our cars usually are approaching a hundred thousand miles.
With a lot of expensive to have replaced wear parts, suspension is a big one!!!!
Expect to spend two to three thousand, or more, to put one right yourself.
But what you have when your finished, is an addicting pleasure to drive.
With a lot of expensive to have replaced wear parts, suspension is a big one!!!!
Expect to spend two to three thousand, or more, to put one right yourself.
But what you have when your finished, is an addicting pleasure to drive.
For now, we're trying to figure how to fix all the issues it have currently.
#35
#36
It could be a failing idler or tensioner bearing. At this age it would be good to check them both. The way the squeak "comes around" once per belt rev makes me thing there's either water on the belt or the belt is just old. Check for coolant leaks first, then I'd put on a fresh drive belt. Use a good quality replacement.
Thank you
Mark
#37
Well, it's been quite a while, so I thought I should give an update to the situation:
Yep, the culprit is in fact the belt tensioner (never replaced in 17 years), and after replacing it, the car runs extremely quiet when cold starting the engine up, and I notice that the tension on the belt is 2x stronger than the old one, which is really good .
Really want to say thank you to everyone who has helped/support me and my dad in our quest to fix this issue, and now, we can pretty much start the car up without grabbing anyone's attention (haha, the squeal is such a headturner).
Yep, the culprit is in fact the belt tensioner (never replaced in 17 years), and after replacing it, the car runs extremely quiet when cold starting the engine up, and I notice that the tension on the belt is 2x stronger than the old one, which is really good .
Really want to say thank you to everyone who has helped/support me and my dad in our quest to fix this issue, and now, we can pretty much start the car up without grabbing anyone's attention (haha, the squeal is such a headturner).
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#40
It could be a failing idler or tensioner bearing. At this age it would be good to check them both. The way the squeak "comes around" once per belt rev makes me thing there's either water on the belt or the belt is just old. Check for coolant leaks first, then I'd put on a fresh drive belt. Use a good quality replacement.
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