Undulations - 2009 XJ suspension issue
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#22
Fraser, funny you should ask about wheel size. My car has 19", with an aspect ratio of 40, same as yours was. I *HATE* the low profile tires that Jag (and, it seems, most other luxury lines) are using now. In fact, I own this car now because I hated the very stiff ride of the 2009 XF Supercharged that I owned. I believe most of that nasty ride was due to the 20" rims (and associated lack of sidewall), and I figured I would swap those out for 17" or 18" rims, until someone (probably on this forum) kindly pointed out that the smallest rim the supercharger's brakes would accommodate was 19". So I dumped the car for this one.
There's no doubt that I'd get a better ride if I came down from 19" to 18" or 17", and in hindsight, I probably should've done that. But I'm glad to know this particular issue is fixed.
I'm now dealing with problems caused by my nice Pirelli P7's being malformed or out-of-round. I have a brand new, very irritating steering wheel shudder that came with the brand new tires. The tire dealer completely replaced one of them and the problem is *mostly* gone, but it still has some steering wheel shudder, and it still doesn't drive as smoothly as my in-laws' 2004 XJ with 17" rims. Perhaps it never will.
There's no doubt that I'd get a better ride if I came down from 19" to 18" or 17", and in hindsight, I probably should've done that. But I'm glad to know this particular issue is fixed.
I'm now dealing with problems caused by my nice Pirelli P7's being malformed or out-of-round. I have a brand new, very irritating steering wheel shudder that came with the brand new tires. The tire dealer completely replaced one of them and the problem is *mostly* gone, but it still has some steering wheel shudder, and it still doesn't drive as smoothly as my in-laws' 2004 XJ with 17" rims. Perhaps it never will.
#23
Yes, I didn't mention that the more powerful XJs had larger diameter brake discs. My previous X350 had 320mm on the front, but the XJRs, and, I think, all the supercharged cars had 360mm. From about 2006 the normal front discs went to 326, and at the same time the caliper became a cast iron item with a single piston.Previous calipers were aluminium twin piston jobs.
I bought the 17" wheels quite quickly on eBay, and then spent a week worrying about the change of caliper and disc size and the possibility they would not fit or the balance weights would hit the caliper. However, in the end they just went on with plenty of space between caliper and wheel, about 1/2" My MG TF has 304 mm discs and 16" wheels with sexy-looking twin piston calipers in red. The gap with these is very close, and I can't get the wheel brush in between the gap, although the stick-on balance weights pass through OK
I bought the 17" wheels quite quickly on eBay, and then spent a week worrying about the change of caliper and disc size and the possibility they would not fit or the balance weights would hit the caliper. However, in the end they just went on with plenty of space between caliper and wheel, about 1/2" My MG TF has 304 mm discs and 16" wheels with sexy-looking twin piston calipers in red. The gap with these is very close, and I can't get the wheel brush in between the gap, although the stick-on balance weights pass through OK
Last edited by Fraser Mitchell; 10-21-2017 at 06:18 PM.
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Another update: shortly after my 6/2017 post, I noticed the problem returned. Took it to the dealer and they diagnosed it as a front shock problem (although no leakage was detected), and they said the lower control arms had too much play. I kindly paid them $150 for the diagnosis and had my local mechanic replace the lower control arms. No change. I wasn't ready to pop for front shocks in hopes that it would fix the problem.
Both my mechanic and the dealer noted that the tire sidewalls had significant checking, despite the fact that the tread was still excellent. Not one to be interested in flirting with a high-speed blowout, I dropped $1200 on a set of Pirelli P7s and... the problem completely disappeared. Everyone is baffled.
The car had been sitting 9 mos. at the dealership before I bought it, and who knows how long before that. The only thing I can think is that the aged low-profile sidewalls were stiff, and transferring more road imperfections to the suspension than it was prepared to deal with; the more supple replacements are now absorbing the road bumps. Or else it was gremlins.
Both my mechanic and the dealer noted that the tire sidewalls had significant checking, despite the fact that the tread was still excellent. Not one to be interested in flirting with a high-speed blowout, I dropped $1200 on a set of Pirelli P7s and... the problem completely disappeared. Everyone is baffled.
The car had been sitting 9 mos. at the dealership before I bought it, and who knows how long before that. The only thing I can think is that the aged low-profile sidewalls were stiff, and transferring more road imperfections to the suspension than it was prepared to deal with; the more supple replacements are now absorbing the road bumps. Or else it was gremlins.
I don’t know about your car, but Super 8s have the comfort suspension, but mine is a Portfolio and I was told by the dealer mine has the sport suspension. But either way, I’m liking this car more and more as it envolves!
Last edited by Aleather; 11-27-2017 at 09:32 AM.
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Fraser, funny you should ask about wheel size. My car has 19", with an aspect ratio of 40, same as yours was. I *HATE* the low profile tires that Jag (and, it seems, most other luxury lines) are using now. In fact, I own this car now because I hated the very stiff ride of the 2009 XF Supercharged that I owned. I believe most of that nasty ride was due to the 20" rims (and associated lack of sidewall), and I figured I would swap those out for 17" or 18" rims, until someone (probably on this forum) kindly pointed out that the smallest rim the supercharger's brakes would accommodate was 19". So I dumped the car for this one.
There's no doubt that I'd get a better ride if I came down from 19" to 18" or 17", and in hindsight, I probably should've done that. But I'm glad to know this particular issue is fixed.
I'm now dealing with problems caused by my nice Pirelli P7's being malformed or out-of-round. I have a brand new, very irritating steering wheel shudder that came with the brand new tires. The tire dealer completely replaced one of them and the problem is *mostly* gone, but it still has some steering wheel shudder, and it still doesn't drive as smoothly as my in-laws' 2004 XJ with 17" rims. Perhaps it never will.
There's no doubt that I'd get a better ride if I came down from 19" to 18" or 17", and in hindsight, I probably should've done that. But I'm glad to know this particular issue is fixed.
I'm now dealing with problems caused by my nice Pirelli P7's being malformed or out-of-round. I have a brand new, very irritating steering wheel shudder that came with the brand new tires. The tire dealer completely replaced one of them and the problem is *mostly* gone, but it still has some steering wheel shudder, and it still doesn't drive as smoothly as my in-laws' 2004 XJ with 17" rims. Perhaps it never will.
Last edited by Aleather; 11-26-2017 at 11:12 PM.
#26
Shame on me for not posting an update sooner, but this problem is now resolved. I went back to the tire shop and complained about the shudder, and they offered to pay to have a different tire shop do a 'road balance' -- supposedly they balance the tire while it's mounted to the car, or at least, that's how the initial tire shop described it.
I took the car to the second shop, asked for a 'road balance', and they looked at me kind of funny. They pulled tire 1 off the car and said that it was 'way off'. So they re-balanced it. Same with tires 2-4. They charged me $60 and sent me on my way with my car driving like a freaking DREAM! Shop #1 was exceedingly puzzled, but reimbursed the $60, and I haven't looked back. I've put 4,000 miles on the car since then and it's still driving like it should. Can I get an AMEN??
I took the car to the second shop, asked for a 'road balance', and they looked at me kind of funny. They pulled tire 1 off the car and said that it was 'way off'. So they re-balanced it. Same with tires 2-4. They charged me $60 and sent me on my way with my car driving like a freaking DREAM! Shop #1 was exceedingly puzzled, but reimbursed the $60, and I haven't looked back. I've put 4,000 miles on the car since then and it's still driving like it should. Can I get an AMEN??
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