C1495 TC actuator
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C1495 TC actuator
I figure I would start a new thread on this since I have more information and someone would find it easier to search. So it looks like this does not come around that often. I looked at the TC actuator and replaced the electrical cables between the actuator and the plug and I thought that this fixed the code. Went out for a trip and it came back again in the maintenance tool but the light did not come on. Turned off the car reset it and drove again. hit the 12.5 MPH and there it was again. I went ahead and sent off the ABS module for repair, even though that had nothing to do with it. Are there any other suggestions? Parker 7 gave me a list of things to do with no resolution. I did replace the Actuator off of another car because my good old plastic was broken. I guess that could be it. Just not sure what else to do.
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Parker 7 (01-10-2022)
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0.47 volts DC with the TC on or powered up according to the break out sheets before the actual TC / ABS schematic page
This would be a null or neutral position before it retracts
To fully test the TC actuator you would have to trigger the actuator to retract and watch the signal to be smooth and no open on the rotary variable resistor as that is all it is
On aircraft we would spin up one wheel sensor to trigger the anti skid system to trigger and actuate in this case releasing the other brakes
But in this case in a TC if you spin one of the rear wheels in the proper fwd direction you are simulating one wheel spinning faster then the other side and trigger a response in theory unless there is a whole car speed limitation
You have probably opened up the cable wrapped around the top cable bellcrank , if so you can just manually rotate the sensor and test it by resistance on a meter
But it would be easier to lube the throttle cable crossing over to the mounting position on the left of the engine
There are 2 positions marked on the left side cable fixing bracket that may be not able to read as A and T or A and M
This would be a null or neutral position before it retracts
To fully test the TC actuator you would have to trigger the actuator to retract and watch the signal to be smooth and no open on the rotary variable resistor as that is all it is
On aircraft we would spin up one wheel sensor to trigger the anti skid system to trigger and actuate in this case releasing the other brakes
But in this case in a TC if you spin one of the rear wheels in the proper fwd direction you are simulating one wheel spinning faster then the other side and trigger a response in theory unless there is a whole car speed limitation
You have probably opened up the cable wrapped around the top cable bellcrank , if so you can just manually rotate the sensor and test it by resistance on a meter
But it would be easier to lube the throttle cable crossing over to the mounting position on the left of the engine
There are 2 positions marked on the left side cable fixing bracket that may be not able to read as A and T or A and M
Last edited by Parker 7; 01-11-2022 at 01:26 AM.
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0.47 volts DC with the TC on or powered up according to the break out sheets before the actual TC / ABS schematic page
This would be a null or neutral position before it retracts
To fully test the TC actuator you would have to trigger the actuator to retract and watch the signal to be smooth and no open on the rotary variable resistor as that is all it is
On aircraft we would spin up one wheel sensor to trigger the anti skid system to trigger and actuate in this case releasing the other brakes
But in this case in a TC if you spin one of the rear wheels in the proper fwd direction you are simulating one wheel spinning faster then the other side and trigger a response in theory unless there is a whole car speed limitation
You have probably opened up the cable wrapped around the top cable bellcrank , if so you can just manually rotate the sensor and test it by resistance on a meter
But it would be easier to lube the throttle cable crossing over to the mounting position on the left of the engine
There are 2 positions marked on the left side cable fixing bracket that may be not able to read as A and T or A and M
This would be a null or neutral position before it retracts
To fully test the TC actuator you would have to trigger the actuator to retract and watch the signal to be smooth and no open on the rotary variable resistor as that is all it is
On aircraft we would spin up one wheel sensor to trigger the anti skid system to trigger and actuate in this case releasing the other brakes
But in this case in a TC if you spin one of the rear wheels in the proper fwd direction you are simulating one wheel spinning faster then the other side and trigger a response in theory unless there is a whole car speed limitation
You have probably opened up the cable wrapped around the top cable bellcrank , if so you can just manually rotate the sensor and test it by resistance on a meter
But it would be easier to lube the throttle cable crossing over to the mounting position on the left of the engine
There are 2 positions marked on the left side cable fixing bracket that may be not able to read as A and T or A and M
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Parker 7 (01-13-2022)
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If you have already installed the assembly, You can turn it on and the actuator should come to a mechanical null different then a electrical null on the Blue colored wire as you have everything hooked up
You would have to nick the wire
In a shop setting there would be a insert made up test connection between the 2 factory connections
0.47 volts DC on the Blue color wire
Editing
Most likely you will not be able to get it to actuate by spinning one of the rear tires as there is a low speed inhibit and we had this on aircraft for some forgotten reason, but this was in a anti - skid mode
See video , this is when **** gets real on a real test flight , The Captain later died as a flight instuctor
You would have to nick the wire
In a shop setting there would be a insert made up test connection between the 2 factory connections
0.47 volts DC on the Blue color wire
Editing
Most likely you will not be able to get it to actuate by spinning one of the rear tires as there is a low speed inhibit and we had this on aircraft for some forgotten reason, but this was in a anti - skid mode
See video , this is when **** gets real on a real test flight , The Captain later died as a flight instuctor
Last edited by Parker 7; 01-13-2022 at 11:14 PM.
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There was a car here in KC that I only got a faint verbal on was by removing the connector to the TC actuator he was able to regain his idle
I wasn't there so I couldn't nail down exactly what went on but the waste of an individual eventually lost his Jag when he got it towed and scraped after a friend left it behind in a Casino
He initially bought the car with a bag of drugs and he was a dandy to square up but never did
In your case you are out of the idle region and in a natural throttle let down similar to a commanded transmission kick down but different
You can isolate the TC system from the rest of the main throttle cable and see if the issue remains
Not all X300s have the TC option
The high rotating mass of the long stroke engine may supersede the compression resistance thought
This rotating mass inertia would be higher on a big crankshaft truck engine which is what you have then a V8 or V6
I wasn't there so I couldn't nail down exactly what went on but the waste of an individual eventually lost his Jag when he got it towed and scraped after a friend left it behind in a Casino
He initially bought the car with a bag of drugs and he was a dandy to square up but never did
In your case you are out of the idle region and in a natural throttle let down similar to a commanded transmission kick down but different
You can isolate the TC system from the rest of the main throttle cable and see if the issue remains
Not all X300s have the TC option
The high rotating mass of the long stroke engine may supersede the compression resistance thought
This rotating mass inertia would be higher on a big crankshaft truck engine which is what you have then a V8 or V6
Last edited by Parker 7; 01-15-2022 at 08:28 PM.
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I know that the actuator is the cause since it was not there before I swapped it out. I guess my next steps are either to find another complete actuator or take it to jag to let them figure it out. Since I ha e the day off tomorrow I may give it a shot to see if there is any way to make adjustments. I wish I had a real repair manual or a TSB for this. I kmow that +xjrengineer might be able to help since I have seen a few posts from him that sounded like he may know something.
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With the TC switched off does that make any difference on your observed throttle let off
You may have an issue with the IAC valve not scheduling down in the correct fashion
It might not be scheduling closed in a fast enough clip because one of the windings may be open not allowing the valve to move or close down on a step ( and stay wide open )
In your final let off the throttle state of the engine at idle you may have a set of IAC windings that are good and you have the correct IAC valve position
But you did say you didn't notice a change in the throttle let off until you changed the TC actuator
I am assuming the TC actuator is not firing off by retracting seeing a rear wheel spin and the In action light on the dash vs. a inop system fault light
Throttle return spring ( lacking in enough retraction force ) addressed by the TSB ?
You may have an issue with the IAC valve not scheduling down in the correct fashion
It might not be scheduling closed in a fast enough clip because one of the windings may be open not allowing the valve to move or close down on a step ( and stay wide open )
In your final let off the throttle state of the engine at idle you may have a set of IAC windings that are good and you have the correct IAC valve position
But you did say you didn't notice a change in the throttle let off until you changed the TC actuator
I am assuming the TC actuator is not firing off by retracting seeing a rear wheel spin and the In action light on the dash vs. a inop system fault light
Throttle return spring ( lacking in enough retraction force ) addressed by the TSB ?
Last edited by Parker 7; 01-16-2022 at 10:22 AM.
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Since I have the day off I will be working on it tomorrow. Probably going to take everything apart and start over. Maybe I have something too tight or I might play around with the adjustment on the top of the actuator. I will be pissing in the wind but I can't hurt it more than what it is now. I will check the voltage on the blue wire for the heck of it if I can find which one it is.
I know I also have to replace my sport and automatic switch since it does not work anymore. I think that I also replaced it but can't remember.
Also kind of weird that there is no talk anywhere about that adjustment. I know it does something just not sure what. I have one I took apart and it does do something
I know I also have to replace my sport and automatic switch since it does not work anymore. I think that I also replaced it but can't remember.
Also kind of weird that there is no talk anywhere about that adjustment. I know it does something just not sure what. I have one I took apart and it does do something
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After spending a day following the document above I think, driving it for 15 minutes and no faults (I used to get them just going down the str) I have finally resolved my Traction control. I will take it on a long journey later to see if it stays away. However, I did find a few things. A while back I had replaced my actuator cables because of the broken plastic pieces. I pulled them off a 96 XJ6 and for some reason, the cable was about an inch shorter which was putting some stress on the actuator. According to the document, there should be a way to make an adjustment to the cable that goes to the throttle body. That cable does not exist at least from the two that I had. I had to make a few modifications so that the cable would actually reach and not keep the idle too high.
So for now, I have
1. Resolved my Tra fault
2. Resolved my gas gauge problem (replaced the float)
3. Not sure about my airbag problem. Yesterday it would come and go but after pulling out my entire console to change out my linear switch everything SMS fine. Must have been a ground problem?
Last thing I need to fix is the Sport Mode switch. Getting power to the switch but it does not do anything
So for now, I have
1. Resolved my Tra fault
2. Resolved my gas gauge problem (replaced the float)
3. Not sure about my airbag problem. Yesterday it would come and go but after pulling out my entire console to change out my linear switch everything SMS fine. Must have been a ground problem?
Last thing I need to fix is the Sport Mode switch. Getting power to the switch but it does not do anything
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