Coolant warning light - help please
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Coolant warning light - help please
A couple of days ago my coolant warning light came on which surprised me somewhat as I regularly check the level. When I got home and checked the level it did require topping up - but not much and not enough I would have thought to 'trigger' a warning light. After topping up however and switching on the engine, the light did not appear.
Today however, on a very sort trip (a couple of miles or so) the light came on again. Back home and a check of the level revealed no loss of water although I did manage to get a splash of water into the tank, but nothing more. The light however has remained lit.
There is no sign of any water on the floor or around the engine area even when the engine is running so I'm thinking it may be a faulty warning light.
Has anyone any experience of this happening and can give me any advice? Faulty sensor or something? If this is likely, then where is it situated?
Any help or advice appreciated.
Thanks.
Today however, on a very sort trip (a couple of miles or so) the light came on again. Back home and a check of the level revealed no loss of water although I did manage to get a splash of water into the tank, but nothing more. The light however has remained lit.
There is no sign of any water on the floor or around the engine area even when the engine is running so I'm thinking it may be a faulty warning light.
Has anyone any experience of this happening and can give me any advice? Faulty sensor or something? If this is likely, then where is it situated?
Any help or advice appreciated.
Thanks.
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The sensor is a long thin probe that pokes up into a dry chamber from the bottom of the tank. It is secured by a snap connection that can become loose. Look for the electrical conncetor in the bottom of the resevoir and push the probe back up into the tank. If it has not fallen out, then I suppose you have a bad sensor. More likely, its just loose.
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Thanks for that, there it is is! Pulled it down and out of the 'hole', undid the connection and sprayed it with switch cleaner/lubricant and reconnected the electrical connection wires.
Now it won't go back up into the recess! I can't of course see it, just feel it, but I can't 'see' how it fastens there as when I push it upwards, it just falls back down. Has something else come off perhaps which secures it?
I may have to remove the plastic tank to see things better. Is this as straightforward as it looks? That is, just disconnect the hoses and remove it from what appear to be rubber bushes? I'd rather not do this of course, but if I have to I will.
Finally and as a matter of curiosity, how does this sensor 'sense' the level? It appears to fit inside a recess which is and has to be waterproof to the outside, so as it doesn't actually touch the water, how does it work?
Thanks again.
Now it won't go back up into the recess! I can't of course see it, just feel it, but I can't 'see' how it fastens there as when I push it upwards, it just falls back down. Has something else come off perhaps which secures it?
I may have to remove the plastic tank to see things better. Is this as straightforward as it looks? That is, just disconnect the hoses and remove it from what appear to be rubber bushes? I'd rather not do this of course, but if I have to I will.
Finally and as a matter of curiosity, how does this sensor 'sense' the level? It appears to fit inside a recess which is and has to be waterproof to the outside, so as it doesn't actually touch the water, how does it work?
Thanks again.
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Thanks for that, there it is is! Pulled it down and out of the 'hole', undid the connection and sprayed it with switch cleaner/lubricant and reconnected the electrical connection wires.
Now it won't go back up into the recess! I can't of course see it, just feel it, but I can't 'see' how it fastens there
Now it won't go back up into the recess! I can't of course see it, just feel it, but I can't 'see' how it fastens there
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Well I'm a bit stuck now really!
I can push the sensor into its hole and even holding it in place with my finger, the dashboard warning light still illuminates. I just can't get it to stay in place, nor can I see (now with the help of a mirror!) how it is supposed to stay in place. There is nothing on the base of the expansion tank around the hole which could be described as any kind of connector or fastening. All I can see is the hole!
What now concerns me is how I will be able to fix in place a replacement sensor, assuming my current one is faulty if there's nothing to attach it to. Glue it?
If I unplug the connecting wire from the sensor, the dash light is still on, also I can't locate any dedicated fuse for the warning light to switch it off.
Is there any way to test the sensor?
I can push the sensor into its hole and even holding it in place with my finger, the dashboard warning light still illuminates. I just can't get it to stay in place, nor can I see (now with the help of a mirror!) how it is supposed to stay in place. There is nothing on the base of the expansion tank around the hole which could be described as any kind of connector or fastening. All I can see is the hole!
What now concerns me is how I will be able to fix in place a replacement sensor, assuming my current one is faulty if there's nothing to attach it to. Glue it?
If I unplug the connecting wire from the sensor, the dash light is still on, also I can't locate any dedicated fuse for the warning light to switch it off.
Is there any way to test the sensor?
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All good questions and observations!
The sensor is probably a reed switch rather than a hall effect, since it has two wires. I am pretty sure there is a magnet on a float around that "post" inside the plastic tank. So when the magnet falls too low, the switch comes on or off. I do not know if the switch is on or off for OK, but you can test to be sure the switch is the fault. Just unplug it, then jumper the rwo pins on the connector. One is ground and the other is the sense circuit. The light should change state as you connect and disconnect the wires.
I don;t remember exactly how the probe clips in, but it is some kind of snap molded to the parts. If it is broken, you could epoxy it in. The float might be stuck. Look into the tank and see if you can see whats happening.
Good luck and report back/
The sensor is probably a reed switch rather than a hall effect, since it has two wires. I am pretty sure there is a magnet on a float around that "post" inside the plastic tank. So when the magnet falls too low, the switch comes on or off. I do not know if the switch is on or off for OK, but you can test to be sure the switch is the fault. Just unplug it, then jumper the rwo pins on the connector. One is ground and the other is the sense circuit. The light should change state as you connect and disconnect the wires.
I don;t remember exactly how the probe clips in, but it is some kind of snap molded to the parts. If it is broken, you could epoxy it in. The float might be stuck. Look into the tank and see if you can see whats happening.
Good luck and report back/
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I think everything indicates a faulty sensor.
Thanks for your advice.
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All good questions and observations!
The sensor is probably a reed switch rather than a hall effect, since it has two wires. I am pretty sure there is a magnet on a float around that "post" inside the plastic tank. So when the magnet falls too low, the switch comes on or off. I do not know if the switch is on or off for OK, but you can test to be sure the switch is the fault. Just unplug it, then jumper the rwo pins on the connector. One is ground and the other is the sense circuit. The light should change state as you connect and disconnect the wires.
I don;t remember exactly how the probe clips in, but it is some kind of snap molded to the parts. If it is broken, you could epoxy it in. The float might be stuck. Look into the tank and see if you can see whats happening.
Good luck and report back/
The sensor is probably a reed switch rather than a hall effect, since it has two wires. I am pretty sure there is a magnet on a float around that "post" inside the plastic tank. So when the magnet falls too low, the switch comes on or off. I do not know if the switch is on or off for OK, but you can test to be sure the switch is the fault. Just unplug it, then jumper the rwo pins on the connector. One is ground and the other is the sense circuit. The light should change state as you connect and disconnect the wires.
I don;t remember exactly how the probe clips in, but it is some kind of snap molded to the parts. If it is broken, you could epoxy it in. The float might be stuck. Look into the tank and see if you can see whats happening.
Good luck and report back/
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Seriously, that is always a concern on electrical circuits - that you can do major damage by jumpering connections. Frankly, I am amazed sometimes by what people report theyhave done while monkeyiing around- and often the car circuit protects itself.
Obviously, you are on your own on this, but I will vet myself that I am an electrical engineer and I looked at the schematic carfully before I gave that advice.
Obviously, you are on your own on this, but I will vet myself that I am an electrical engineer and I looked at the schematic carfully before I gave that advice.
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Seriously, that is always a concern on electrical circuits - that you can do major damage by jumpering connections. Frankly, I am amazed sometimes by what people report theyhave done while monkeyiing around- and often the car circuit protects itself.
Obviously, you are on your own on this, but I will vet myself that I am an electrical engineer and I looked at the schematic carfully before I gave that advice.
Obviously, you are on your own on this, but I will vet myself that I am an electrical engineer and I looked at the schematic carfully before I gave that advice.
Until if/when I get a replacement sensor, it will do me.
Thanks again to all for the advice.
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No offense nor ridicule of the methods thus far employed intended, Spark/Biff...just a failed attempt at bringing some humor to your efforts.
In the none too distant past I had the pleasure to work with a chap who was frequently referring to having "let the magic smoke out of..." various and sundry electronic black-boxes, so I was tickled-pink to find "Replacement Smoke!" but also surprised the packaging didn't make the "magic" claim....
In the none too distant past I had the pleasure to work with a chap who was frequently referring to having "let the magic smoke out of..." various and sundry electronic black-boxes, so I was tickled-pink to find "Replacement Smoke!" but also surprised the packaging didn't make the "magic" claim....
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