Lusting after an X300, have technical questions
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The prices are so low now, that buying a good car is probably going to be cheaper than fixing up a bad car. Different story if you want to modify just for the sake of doing it.
I'm not sure that the X308 interior swap is completely doable as the cars are very different electrically. Specifically, I doubt things like memory seats would work if transplanted. If you look at jagrepair.com you can find all the electrical guides as pdf's.
Out of curiosity, why put a Mercedes diesel into the car, other than you have it? The Jaguar AJ16 engine was actually designed to have a future diesel variant (which never happened) so the bottom end is very strong.
There were manual LHD versions sold in continental Europe, but very few. Even including RHD production, the build rate of manual cars was less than 5%
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Some have used these new seat skins
The product shown has the colored beads on the inseam that only the VDP model uses
These are tnew skins that are next to the original foam on the seat frame . They are not covers over the original seat skins
https://www.lseat.com/products/1995-...ers-front.html![Icon Dance Disco](https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_dance-disco.gif)
The product shown has the colored beads on the inseam that only the VDP model uses
These are tnew skins that are next to the original foam on the seat frame . They are not covers over the original seat skins
https://www.lseat.com/products/1995-...ers-front.html
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Last edited by Parker 2; 07-14-2020 at 04:25 AM.
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I think that's going to be a nearly impossible find. The X300's are very durable mechanically, while the interiors are more fragile. After 25 years the leather will have worn, faded and the stitching rotted, but the powertrain soldiers on. If you do find a car with an excellent interior, you're more than likely also going to find it in excellent mechanical shape as it's a cherished and/or concours car. Perhaps try looking at the JCNA classifieds for a suitable car?
The prices are so low now, that buying a good car is probably going to be cheaper than fixing up a bad car. Different story if you want to modify just for the sake of doing it.
The prices are so low now, that buying a good car is probably going to be cheaper than fixing up a bad car. Different story if you want to modify just for the sake of doing it.
I'm not sure that the X308 interior swap is completely doable as the cars are very different electrically. Specifically, I doubt things like memory seats would work if transplanted. If you look at jagrepair.com you can find all the electrical guides as pdf's.
Out of curiosity, why put a Mercedes diesel into the car, other than you have it? The Jaguar AJ16 engine was actually designed to have a future diesel variant (which never happened) so the bottom end is very strong.
There were manual LHD versions sold in continental Europe, but very few. Even including RHD production, the build rate of manual cars was less than 5%
Last edited by moroza; 07-14-2020 at 04:52 PM.
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Unfortunately the value of the AJ16 engine is next to nothing. Part of the reason is they simply don't wear out, so there is very little demand for used ones.
The electrical issue is complex. The X300 was the last of a series of things that were stand alone and wired. The X308 is the first of everything being networked and operating on data, not voltages. I know that one very well respected Jag modifier had a customer who wanted the supercharged V8 in a 1960's Mark 10 and they had to transplant absolutely everything into the mark 10 bodyshell, down to the power locks and side mirrors in order to have any of the electronics work. Everything on the network has to be present or nothing works. So it's far more involved than just making up new harnesses.
Don't automatically discount the original powertrain for fuel economy, I have been able to achieve 35 mpg on highway cruise from a 4.0. That was a great run, but 30 mpg was easily attainable on cruise.
Manual cars were never sold in North America, I think the only place you'll find a few of them is Continental Europe. A RHD pedal box won't be of much use, so no point in looking in the UK. A few parts are still available from Jaguar, but most are NLA now. You might want to look at Aston Martin DB7's, as that is the same engine block as the XJ6, and the DB7 is based on a shortened XJS. There are a lot of Jaguar parts in the early DB7.
The electrical issue is complex. The X300 was the last of a series of things that were stand alone and wired. The X308 is the first of everything being networked and operating on data, not voltages. I know that one very well respected Jag modifier had a customer who wanted the supercharged V8 in a 1960's Mark 10 and they had to transplant absolutely everything into the mark 10 bodyshell, down to the power locks and side mirrors in order to have any of the electronics work. Everything on the network has to be present or nothing works. So it's far more involved than just making up new harnesses.
Don't automatically discount the original powertrain for fuel economy, I have been able to achieve 35 mpg on highway cruise from a 4.0. That was a great run, but 30 mpg was easily attainable on cruise.
Manual cars were never sold in North America, I think the only place you'll find a few of them is Continental Europe. A RHD pedal box won't be of much use, so no point in looking in the UK. A few parts are still available from Jaguar, but most are NLA now. You might want to look at Aston Martin DB7's, as that is the same engine block as the XJ6, and the DB7 is based on a shortened XJS. There are a lot of Jaguar parts in the early DB7.
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Getrag was manufactured in the US as New Venture brand or NV model numbers
From my understanding the gearbox itself was a Getrag 290 or something different then a 265
Dream of someday having a left hand steering manual transmission model
Last edited by Parker 2; 07-14-2020 at 09:19 PM.
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Getrag 265 was used in some 80's BMW and possibly Mercedes. It's a decent gearbox, but won't handle the torque of a turned-up OM606.
X308 has CANBUS, eh? Then I guess it's getting gutted down to the shell and replaced with X300 parts. I'd build an X300 as well, they're just harder to find in LWB black, and I gather the NVH tuning of the later chassis is better.
X308 has CANBUS, eh? Then I guess it's getting gutted down to the shell and replaced with X300 parts. I'd build an X300 as well, they're just harder to find in LWB black, and I gather the NVH tuning of the later chassis is better.
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Canbus is a digital data bus or multiplex system
I have the X308 Canbus Jaguar training guide somewhere as the interior lights I think were still discrete circuits as you go through it
http://www.jagrepair.com/images/Training%20Guides/684_SG.pdf
I have the X308 Canbus Jaguar training guide somewhere as the interior lights I think were still discrete circuits as you go through it
http://www.jagrepair.com/images/Training%20Guides/684_SG.pdf
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