Oh No the Electrical Grimlins have started
#24
Yea right on the module it says what it controls. Brake, Rear fog lights (whatever that is), reverse lights, and side marker lights. Everything there is back so now I need to concentrate on the grounding. Again that ground is it under the middle console and if not where? Worse case I will create new ground. Just need to figure out where
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Parker 7 (12-20-2021)
#25
Doing errands before Kidney Dr. visit in the morning
Have not combined the different pages of prints to get the big picture on the brake lights
I did it for the X308 but that one is different
The ground wire on the ignition switch is the Black one
I have nott raced the ground to the stud just noticed I had green corrosion on the 5 pin
Have not combined the different pages of prints to get the big picture on the brake lights
I did it for the X308 but that one is different
The ground wire on the ignition switch is the Black one
I have nott raced the ground to the stud just noticed I had green corrosion on the 5 pin
#26
Looking at the 97 wiring guide there is a cross over change at VIN # 787954 so would need your number
In the past I was able with the Adobe Acrbat PDF software to be able .to take a snapshot and put it into a Art blank page to draw the important lines
I would magnify the PDF page 200 % before snap shot so the final product is larger and can see the details
That was with my old computer that is still alive but ........issues
I was one of the guys entering the cockpit between flights with many sheets and colored markers in my shirt pocket
Can you do that in Art and I can put it together in art on this side
Editing
WiFi dropping out
on the print I can see the 2 normal left and right brake lights use pin 1 and 4 of the brake switch
Same as the 3rd high brake light which does noy go through the lamp control module
21 double hash circle is the power for the module which goes through the troublesome BT4 connector above the fuel tank
In the past I was able with the Adobe Acrbat PDF software to be able .to take a snapshot and put it into a Art blank page to draw the important lines
I would magnify the PDF page 200 % before snap shot so the final product is larger and can see the details
That was with my old computer that is still alive but ........issues
I was one of the guys entering the cockpit between flights with many sheets and colored markers in my shirt pocket
Can you do that in Art and I can put it together in art on this side
Editing
WiFi dropping out
on the print I can see the 2 normal left and right brake lights use pin 1 and 4 of the brake switch
Same as the 3rd high brake light which does noy go through the lamp control module
21 double hash circle is the power for the module which goes through the troublesome BT4 connector above the fuel tank
Last edited by Parker 7; 12-21-2021 at 01:34 AM.
#27
The brake switch in how it works for the traction control is to disconnect the TC if hitting the brake so this would be a normal operation of the TC ( if the signal changes open or close ) and not seen as a fault
The pins on the brake switch for the TC are 1 and 2 so this is different then the stop lights
Brake switch adjustment ? I'm not saying do that yet and would probably be best to not disturb
The brake switch is used for the GM transmission of which you do not have
Brake switch pin 1 and 2 are used for the anti lock brake module
Airbag warning light ....... looking into
Power source fuse # 16 which relies on the king relay ( called the auxiliary positive relay ) to stay closed , this path travels through the BT4 connector to the fwd position of the Airbag control module
A second power source is from fuse # 17 Right heelboard fuse box and is hot at all times not needing the king relay for that fuse box
There are 2 fuses for the instrument cluster in the left heelboard fuse box ie fuel gauge
# 5 and # 12 , 5 is hot at all times and 12 relies on that fuse box king relay ( called ignition positive relay as there are 2 called this on the car other one being for the right engine bay fuse box ) that's why I refer to them as king relays and a name I came up with
What is the conclusion.from this is........... the ignition switch through to ground path is lacking on the edge of badness but then you would see multiple failures which you may or may not see as you drive
The pins on the brake switch for the TC are 1 and 2 so this is different then the stop lights
Brake switch adjustment ? I'm not saying do that yet and would probably be best to not disturb
The brake switch is used for the GM transmission of which you do not have
Brake switch pin 1 and 2 are used for the anti lock brake module
Airbag warning light ....... looking into
Power source fuse # 16 which relies on the king relay ( called the auxiliary positive relay ) to stay closed , this path travels through the BT4 connector to the fwd position of the Airbag control module
A second power source is from fuse # 17 Right heelboard fuse box and is hot at all times not needing the king relay for that fuse box
There are 2 fuses for the instrument cluster in the left heelboard fuse box ie fuel gauge
# 5 and # 12 , 5 is hot at all times and 12 relies on that fuse box king relay ( called ignition positive relay as there are 2 called this on the car other one being for the right engine bay fuse box ) that's why I refer to them as king relays and a name I came up with
What is the conclusion.from this is........... the ignition switch through to ground path is lacking on the edge of badness but then you would see multiple failures which you may or may not see as you drive
Last edited by Parker 7; 12-21-2021 at 02:12 AM.
#28
My VIN ends in 797432. As I said, all the lights are working now with the change of the Light Control Module. I will be working on the grounding issue today. I am going to check under the console to look at the ground. Worse case, I will take all the grounds off of that one and the one the drivers kick, clean them all, and put them back on. Not sure I want to put a new ground one yet. I have the next two weeks off, so going to track down all electrical issues I have.
Yea looking at a lot of the manuals out there for a 97, they don't match up with my car, and I have struggled with that. A good example is speed sensors. Those change in mid-year, and I pull some off a 97 at You-Pull-It came home, and guess what? They did not match. So reading a 97 Manual, I can't rely on it until I check my car.
Yea looking at a lot of the manuals out there for a 97, they don't match up with my car, and I have struggled with that. A good example is speed sensors. Those change in mid-year, and I pull some off a 97 at You-Pull-It came home, and guess what? They did not match. So reading a 97 Manual, I can't rely on it until I check my car.
Last edited by cdma; 12-21-2021 at 08:48 AM.
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Parker 7 (12-21-2021)
#30
Well, I had to make the 200-mile journey again. I was hoping not to see any issues. For the last week the gas gauge was working fine from the last time I drove it and I did not have to put in gas till today and when I filled it up the gauge went from 1/4 tank to ZERO and stayed there entire time. When I went up a hill it would come off a little but then go back to zero. So I think this is a float problem and have one to replace.
NOW FOR THE REAL INTERESTING PART. On the journey everything else looked ok for a while and then I received the Trac Fail light at about the same place as last week and stayed on for a while till I stopped. So I figured maybe this is a time or distance-based fault. So I looked at my mileage and the clock and took off. Almost exactly 30 minutes and 37 miles later it came on again. I pulled over, turned off the car, and started back up again. Again 30 minutes later and 37 miles later it came back on( As you can see I was going the same speed so not sure it was a milage thing). With that, I am wondering if there is some module that is telling the track light to come on? Anyone?
NOW FOR THE REAL INTERESTING PART. On the journey everything else looked ok for a while and then I received the Trac Fail light at about the same place as last week and stayed on for a while till I stopped. So I figured maybe this is a time or distance-based fault. So I looked at my mileage and the clock and took off. Almost exactly 30 minutes and 37 miles later it came on again. I pulled over, turned off the car, and started back up again. Again 30 minutes later and 37 miles later it came back on( As you can see I was going the same speed so not sure it was a milage thing). With that, I am wondering if there is some module that is telling the track light to come on? Anyone?
#31
Fuel tank - Fuel tank cleaner solution ( that may clean your sender ) for a easy try before parts swap
There is a delay purposely built into the ABS / TC module before it will give you a fault light latch . From my understanding the delay is 3 instances of a fault detected before a light and must travel faster then 12.5 mph to unlatch after a repair action so you wouldn't see it unlatch in the driveway
I'm trying to remember the manufacture of the ABS / Tc module and it is a early version as there was changes to it in later years
Starts with a T
Off the top of my head the variable steering amplifier module taps into one of the wheel speed sensors after it passes through the ABS / TC module in a strict series circuit and you can unplug this amplifier and give it a try , This may be your warm up / 30 minite variable as the steering amplifier is using this one wheel speed signal as an intelligence signal only ( and not related to muscle power ) to control the amplifier half of the variable steering amplifier module
This one wheel speed signal may be getting sucked down below the tripping point of a TC fault
There is a delay purposely built into the ABS / TC module before it will give you a fault light latch . From my understanding the delay is 3 instances of a fault detected before a light and must travel faster then 12.5 mph to unlatch after a repair action so you wouldn't see it unlatch in the driveway
I'm trying to remember the manufacture of the ABS / Tc module and it is a early version as there was changes to it in later years
Starts with a T
Off the top of my head the variable steering amplifier module taps into one of the wheel speed sensors after it passes through the ABS / TC module in a strict series circuit and you can unplug this amplifier and give it a try , This may be your warm up / 30 minite variable as the steering amplifier is using this one wheel speed signal as an intelligence signal only ( and not related to muscle power ) to control the amplifier half of the variable steering amplifier module
This one wheel speed signal may be getting sucked down below the tripping point of a TC fault
Last edited by Parker 7; 12-29-2021 at 09:18 PM.
#32
I was hoping that you would not tell me that. The issue is my sensors will be an ultimate PITA to get out. All four of mine are the stick kind and I will probably break them before getting out so more than likely I will have to live with it or take it to Jag.
How does the tank cleaner work? Do you just put it in with your gas after filling up
How does the tank cleaner work? Do you just put it in with your gas after filling up
#33
There is a bottle at the local auto parts store and there is a consideration of a 1/2 tank fil vs. full tank changing the concentration of the working chemical in your faver but then the sender mounting is 1/2 way up from the bottom
Motercarman ( Bob ) had a suggestion on the rear wheel sensors if you reach into the hollow wheel hubs from the inside of the car you can negate the need to remove the sensors to clean the sensor face of metallic filings trapped in grease / grime
There may be a half shaft knuckle in the way so you would rotate the wheel 90 degrees so you would roll the car a bit and look again , no jacking needed
Yours being a 97 takes a different part # than a 96 after VIN # xxxxxx , you would have to consult the parts website
Motercarman ( Bob ) had a suggestion on the rear wheel sensors if you reach into the hollow wheel hubs from the inside of the car you can negate the need to remove the sensors to clean the sensor face of metallic filings trapped in grease / grime
There may be a half shaft knuckle in the way so you would rotate the wheel 90 degrees so you would roll the car a bit and look again , no jacking needed
Yours being a 97 takes a different part # than a 96 after VIN # xxxxxx , you would have to consult the parts website
Last edited by Parker 7; 12-29-2021 at 09:42 PM.
#34
#35
The rear axle hubs are hollow with a shaft going down the middle of the hollow hub
I have a stuck and broken right rear sensor , so I have been there and Bobs description doesn;t go beyond just pushing them out from the inside
I found a replacement on E- bay for $ 75 with the correct part # but have not put in yet ( alternator bearing bad )
The amp is behind the small side panel by the drivers left foot
I have a reference in the Jaguar LWB pdf in the relay location section see page 19
it is in the position in front of the # 2 front windshield heat relay ( which you may not have as this was a expensive option of having a gold layer in the front windshield glass )
X300 1996 LWB.pdf (jagrepair.com)
I have a stuck and broken right rear sensor , so I have been there and Bobs description doesn;t go beyond just pushing them out from the inside
I found a replacement on E- bay for $ 75 with the correct part # but have not put in yet ( alternator bearing bad )
The amp is behind the small side panel by the drivers left foot
I have a reference in the Jaguar LWB pdf in the relay location section see page 19
it is in the position in front of the # 2 front windshield heat relay ( which you may not have as this was a expensive option of having a gold layer in the front windshield glass )
X300 1996 LWB.pdf (jagrepair.com)
Last edited by Parker 7; 12-29-2021 at 10:19 PM.
#36
#37
Long screwdriver and the Amp cover is about 18 inches square like the right car side far opposite side for the ECU
There was some editing of previous post with more info
The variable steering amp drives the removable servo that sticks out and attached to the rack assembly
There was some editing of previous post with more info
The variable steering amp drives the removable servo that sticks out and attached to the rack assembly
Last edited by Parker 7; 12-29-2021 at 10:25 PM.
#38
ok, I see. You have to pull the hub off to get to the sensor. That is some major surgery to get to it. Might as well do so replacing of other parts while I have everything off. I read where I can use Audi sensors if those are the same ones that I have. I will have to go back to that post. There has to be an easy way to pull those sensors instead of doing the major surgery. I guess I will find out. Either that or keep my trips under 30 min . I assume it still works if the light is not on?
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