Oil filter wrench for Jaguar EBC9658 oil filter, if so where available?
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01-29-2017, 09:45 PM
Oil filter wrench for Jaguar EBC9658 oil filter, if so where available?
Does anyone know if there is an oil filter wrench made to fit the end of the Jaguar EBC9658 filter cannister, and if so where it can be bought?
I tried every wrench at the various auto parts shops but they were all too small, with the largest just barely too small and the pattern didn't match anyway.
Getting to the filter on the XJR is a pain, and trying to get your hands on it to get it loose is even harder when it has decided it doesn't want to come off.
But it would help immensely if there were a wrench that fits the end of the EBC9658 filter cannister.
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I tried every wrench at the various auto parts shops but they were all too small, with the largest just barely too small and the pattern didn't match anyway.
Getting to the filter on the XJR is a pain, and trying to get your hands on it to get it loose is even harder when it has decided it doesn't want to come off.
But it would help immensely if there were a wrench that fits the end of the EBC9658 filter cannister.
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01-30-2017, 01:04 PM
I use this one on my XJ12 (same filter as the 4.0 but easier to access) and as long as you can get a ratchet in the tight space, grabs the small filter.
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01-30-2017, 05:17 PM
First let me preface that I'm doing this from the top. I don't have an easy way to get under the car and get to the filter if the car is on ramps/jacks. So am taking off the intake elbow from the S/C to the intercooler and reaching down from above, much like one might do if on a N/A car.
Yep, I have loosened the bracket, as that is a necessity.
Even with all of that out of the way, if the filter is being a bugger.... there isn't a lot of room to turn the filter once you get a longish filter "pliers" type wrench on side of the filter as the TB and intercooler are right above it. And in my case, I did try that and the filter was so tight the "pliers" as shown above only crushed the filter can anyway.
I eventually had to "stake" the filter through with a spike and cheater bar to get it off as someone had waaaay over-tightened it last time apparently. That of course is a last resort as it makes a huge mess.
But if there had been a filter wrench that would fit the end of the cannister available, I might have been able to get it loose with my 1/2" ratchet and cheater without having to "stake" the filter.
A wrench like this:
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....L._SL1095_.jpg
But all of the filter wrenches I found at my auto parts stores were too small as the Jaguar filter is huge diameter, and its own pattern.
There surely is a wrench that Jaguar service centers use for this filter?
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Yep, I have loosened the bracket, as that is a necessity.
Even with all of that out of the way, if the filter is being a bugger.... there isn't a lot of room to turn the filter once you get a longish filter "pliers" type wrench on side of the filter as the TB and intercooler are right above it. And in my case, I did try that and the filter was so tight the "pliers" as shown above only crushed the filter can anyway.
I eventually had to "stake" the filter through with a spike and cheater bar to get it off as someone had waaaay over-tightened it last time apparently. That of course is a last resort as it makes a huge mess.
But if there had been a filter wrench that would fit the end of the cannister available, I might have been able to get it loose with my 1/2" ratchet and cheater without having to "stake" the filter.
A wrench like this:
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....L._SL1095_.jpg
But all of the filter wrenches I found at my auto parts stores were too small as the Jaguar filter is huge diameter, and its own pattern.
There surely is a wrench that Jaguar service centers use for this filter?
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01-30-2017, 05:19 PM
I use this one on my XJ12 (same filter as the 4.0 but easier to access) and as long as you can get a ratchet in the tight space, grabs the small filter.
Buy Lisle Import Car Oil Filter Wrench 63600 at Advance Auto Parts
Buy Lisle Import Car Oil Filter Wrench 63600 at Advance Auto Parts
Unfortunately that is way too small for the Jaguar EBC9658 filter as the wrench only accommodates up to a 3 1/8" diameter. The EBC9658 is well over that size, and the largest stock size of the wrenches at my local auto parts store didn't go large enough.
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#9
01-30-2017, 09:49 PM
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Oof, you've made life pretty difficult for yourself. I'd guess Jaguar service centers have lifts, so whatever they use wouldn't be of much help. Do you have room to store and use something light yet still durable like Rhino Ramps? They've been my saving grace through many an awkward XJR oil change.
#10
01-30-2017, 10:53 PM
Oof, you've made life pretty difficult for yourself. I'd guess Jaguar service centers have lifts, so whatever they use wouldn't be of much help. Do you have room to store and use something light yet still durable like Rhino Ramps? They've been my saving grace through many an awkward XJR oil change.
I have some good ramps, but getting to the filter from underneath doesn't look like a picnic either, and I don't like getting oil all over and down my arms and face
Getting to the filter from the top isn't hard. It is three bolts to remove the elbow to the intercooler, one strap clamp on the big intake hose to the S/C, and one bolt on the aforementioned bracket.... that part is a 10 minute affair. Then the filter is just right there.
But the EGR pipe is right up against it, and the TB & intercooler right above, and again that bracket that holds up the intercooler to the right and below, all make for tight quarters.
If the filter isn't/hadn't been over-tightened then I might have been able to get it off by hand, or with the standard type of wrench I'm looking for. There is a good angle and access with that sort of canister end wrench and a ratchet.
Surely the Jaguar techs have access to such a wrench otherwise the canister wouldn't be made with the wrench pattern on the end??
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Last edited by al_roethlisberger; 01-30-2017 at 10:56 PM.
#11
01-30-2017, 11:10 PM
Ah hah, found it: Oil Filter Removal/ReplacementTool (Snap-on YA 992)
Looks like an old part number, but perhaps I can get one of my two Snap-On dealer friends to cross reference.
From Service Bulletin: https://www.terrysjag.com/XJS%204.0%...e%20Engine.pdf
DATE: OCTOBER 1991
PAGE: 1 of 7
REF: JD 08/91
Looks like an old part number, but perhaps I can get one of my two Snap-On dealer friends to cross reference.
From Service Bulletin: https://www.terrysjag.com/XJS%204.0%...e%20Engine.pdf
DATE: OCTOBER 1991
PAGE: 1 of 7
REF: JD 08/91
REVISED OIL, FILTER
As a running change, a revised. pattern of oil filter canister, common
to both AJ6 and V12 engine ranges, has been introduced in production.
The revised pattern of filter assists in preventing drain-back of oil
when the engine is stationary, thus ensuring that the lubrication
system is already primed as the engine is started.
In addition, the oil filter canister is provided with a series of
flats at its outer end, which enable Oil Filter Removal/Replacement
Tool (Snap-on YA 992) to be utilised. to assist removal of an expired
filter, which may otherwise be difficult to unscrew after prolonged
running in service.
'The same tool must also be used when fitting a replacement oil filter,
when it will enable achievement of the correct rotation of the filter
body - 3/8 to 1/2 turn further, after initial contact between the
filter seal and the housing - thus eliminating any likelihood of an
oil weep at this point. Wherever possible, this final rotation should
be. carried out using a torque wrench, set to:
13 . 5 - 16. 0 Nm (10 - 12 lb.f/ft.)
The latest pattern of oil filter is available via Jaguar Parts
Operations, under Part No. EBC 9658.
Where Dealers have stocks of the previous oil filter Part No. FAC 1467
it is suggested that these are used when undertaking routine servicing
on AJ6 engines, with the new filter EBC 9658 being used initially on
V12 engines, where more difficult access has previously resulted in
cases of inadequate tightening of the filter canister to the housing,
with resultant incidents of oil weeps or leakage.
Part No. EBC 9658 may be used on ANY engine in the AJ6 or V12 range,
irrespective of the Model Year of the vehicle.
Note: This service Bulletin is not an instruction to change existing
oil filters. Filters should only be replaced as recommended at
routine service intervals, or where a concern has developed.
As a running change, a revised. pattern of oil filter canister, common
to both AJ6 and V12 engine ranges, has been introduced in production.
The revised pattern of filter assists in preventing drain-back of oil
when the engine is stationary, thus ensuring that the lubrication
system is already primed as the engine is started.
In addition, the oil filter canister is provided with a series of
flats at its outer end, which enable Oil Filter Removal/Replacement
Tool (Snap-on YA 992) to be utilised. to assist removal of an expired
filter, which may otherwise be difficult to unscrew after prolonged
running in service.
'The same tool must also be used when fitting a replacement oil filter,
when it will enable achievement of the correct rotation of the filter
body - 3/8 to 1/2 turn further, after initial contact between the
filter seal and the housing - thus eliminating any likelihood of an
oil weep at this point. Wherever possible, this final rotation should
be. carried out using a torque wrench, set to:
13 . 5 - 16. 0 Nm (10 - 12 lb.f/ft.)
The latest pattern of oil filter is available via Jaguar Parts
Operations, under Part No. EBC 9658.
Where Dealers have stocks of the previous oil filter Part No. FAC 1467
it is suggested that these are used when undertaking routine servicing
on AJ6 engines, with the new filter EBC 9658 being used initially on
V12 engines, where more difficult access has previously resulted in
cases of inadequate tightening of the filter canister to the housing,
with resultant incidents of oil weeps or leakage.
Part No. EBC 9658 may be used on ANY engine in the AJ6 or V12 range,
irrespective of the Model Year of the vehicle.
Note: This service Bulletin is not an instruction to change existing
oil filters. Filters should only be replaced as recommended at
routine service intervals, or where a concern has developed.
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01-30-2017, 11:57 PM
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01-31-2017, 12:45 AM
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Al I have available a Baldwin B7424 & Nippon Max WZ133NM & a CooperFiaam FT5925/Z509A. I also have a 93mm/15 flute cup wrench which will fit both the Baldwin & Nippon Max filter. Both have 15 flutes & measure 92.7 & 92.3 across the high spot on the flutes. This size will not fit on the CooperFiaam filter which I believe is identical to the Jag part (actually made by CooperFiaam)
I calculate you would need at least a 95mm/15flutes.
My measurement across this filter is 94.7mm with 15 flutes also. I do not have a 95mm cup wrench available to try but can assure you the 93mm one will not fit.
I have used the ramp method over 20 yrs. no probs.
Jaguar as we know usually made jobs difficult, why improve on their degree of difficulty.
John Herbert
I calculate you would need at least a 95mm/15flutes.
My measurement across this filter is 94.7mm with 15 flutes also. I do not have a 95mm cup wrench available to try but can assure you the 93mm one will not fit.
I have used the ramp method over 20 yrs. no probs.
Jaguar as we know usually made jobs difficult, why improve on their degree of difficulty.
John Herbert
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01-31-2017, 10:30 AM
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#15
01-31-2017, 05:11 PM
Correct, not suggesting using the wrench to tighten. Always follow the instructions on the canister of about 1/2 turn after initial contact.
The issue was that (when) the filter has been put on too tight or otherwise won't easily come off, I'd like to have a wrench that fits the end of the canister so I can get a good purchase on it. On the XJR there is a lot of other "stuff" in the way that make side grabbing wrenches less than ideal.
And yep, as I mentioned above one can "spear" the filter which is what I ultimately did, but it still is difficult on the XJR given aforementioned tight quarters and doing so creates a huge mess which I'd like to avoid.
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02-06-2017, 01:07 PM
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02-06-2017, 02:22 PM
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I use a wrench that is a loop of seatbelt type material attached to a piece of square tubing. Slip the fabric loop over the filter, then roll up the steel tubing to take up the slack and then put a wrench on the square tube and turn. Fits any filter, there hasn't been one yet that I have not been able to take off with this wrench.
"Big Range" Filter Wrench | Princess Auto
"Big Range" Filter Wrench | Princess Auto
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02-06-2017, 03:15 PM
I use a wrench that is a loop of seatbelt type material attached to a piece of square tubing. Slip the fabric loop over the filter, then roll up the steel tubing to take up the slack and then put a wrench on the square tube and turn. Fits any filter, there hasn't been one yet that I have not been able to take off with this wrench.
"Big Range" Filter Wrench | Princess Auto
"Big Range" Filter Wrench | Princess Auto
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02-06-2017, 03:17 PM
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02-07-2017, 07:59 AM
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Of course, the kid's car is outside in the rain, and we need to replace the broken serpentine belt after work today. Volvo XC90, 3.2. It's gonna take a while. Garages only work when you use them. LOL