What is this switch and how to remove it
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Parker 7 (10-20-2022)
#104
Well we're making progress,, Tested fan wiring and both worked , Plugged back in fans working now, Borrowed buddies scanner cleared codes, Started car slight misfire got check eng light scanner says misfire #3 & 4 cyl,let car warm up misfire goes away clear codes doesn't come back ,Hopefully getting close to getting this thing on the road
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Cafcpete (10-21-2022)
#105
In the test you did for the fans you verified the fan control relay module , this does not test the switch itself
If it is hanging upside down, it will get water inside the module and ruin the power contacts inside so something to watch for
The proper module installation is the wires / connector is on the bottom, ask me how I know
The black color module on the later X308 does not work for the white color X300 model , a little bit of a difference
The TSB is to simply jumper the freon line low pressure switch and this will have the low fan mode on as soon as you start the car
Might try some in the tank fuel injector cleaner on the misfire
If it is hanging upside down, it will get water inside the module and ruin the power contacts inside so something to watch for
The proper module installation is the wires / connector is on the bottom, ask me how I know
The black color module on the later X308 does not work for the white color X300 model , a little bit of a difference
The TSB is to simply jumper the freon line low pressure switch and this will have the low fan mode on as soon as you start the car
Might try some in the tank fuel injector cleaner on the misfire
Last edited by Parker 7; 10-21-2022 at 05:50 PM.
#106
"The TSB is to simply jumper the freon line low pressure switch and this will have the low fan mode on as soon as you start the car"
Ok, Just verified no fan when key in run pos, Could it have to do with the refrigerant switc? i turned ac on and let run did not get cool, Maybe needs servicing, Of and what does TSB stand for?
Ok, Just verified no fan when key in run pos, Could it have to do with the refrigerant switc? i turned ac on and let run did not get cool, Maybe needs servicing, Of and what does TSB stand for?
#107
So breaking the coolant fan operation in 2 parts
engine coolant temp :
the coolant fluid thermostat will keep the coolant just above the 88 C to keep the ECU in closed loop mode
After warm up the coolant temp will not get below this 88 C because of the regulated coolant flow regardless of how many fans blowing across the radiator/ condenser
The contact points for the 2-position coolant temp switch is 86 and 100 C
Your instrument coolant temp gauge is a independent temp bulb other then what the ECU sees which is the 2 wire sensor on top of the coolant thermostat housing, the temp bulb is next to it as the single wire
The instrument gauge is not accurate, it is what it is but there is a modification
freon pressure A/C demand with fans blowing across the A/ C condenser:
with too low freon pressure ( 2 bar , metric ) the A/C clutch will disengage , and too high 27 bar
under low A / C demand of 12 bar freon pressure the low fan mode will be enabled
with high A ? C demand of 20 bar freon pressure the high fan mode will be enabled
The intent of the modification with the TSB is to not have the fans go from no fans to both ( at the same time higher startup amperage ) then fuse blowing and then you have no fans and a coolant / engine overheat situation
Fuse #11 / 30 amp left engine bay fuse box powers both fans ( at the same time in cases )
14-06 (jagrepair.com)
engine coolant temp :
the coolant fluid thermostat will keep the coolant just above the 88 C to keep the ECU in closed loop mode
After warm up the coolant temp will not get below this 88 C because of the regulated coolant flow regardless of how many fans blowing across the radiator/ condenser
The contact points for the 2-position coolant temp switch is 86 and 100 C
Your instrument coolant temp gauge is a independent temp bulb other then what the ECU sees which is the 2 wire sensor on top of the coolant thermostat housing, the temp bulb is next to it as the single wire
The instrument gauge is not accurate, it is what it is but there is a modification
freon pressure A/C demand with fans blowing across the A/ C condenser:
with too low freon pressure ( 2 bar , metric ) the A/C clutch will disengage , and too high 27 bar
under low A / C demand of 12 bar freon pressure the low fan mode will be enabled
with high A ? C demand of 20 bar freon pressure the high fan mode will be enabled
The intent of the modification with the TSB is to not have the fans go from no fans to both ( at the same time higher startup amperage ) then fuse blowing and then you have no fans and a coolant / engine overheat situation
Fuse #11 / 30 amp left engine bay fuse box powers both fans ( at the same time in cases )
14-06 (jagrepair.com)
Last edited by Parker 7; 10-22-2022 at 01:31 AM.
#109
That points to the fan control relay module which may be intermittent
You can move the connector from the right fan to left and see how your key on behavior responds , this is just a fan motor check / comparison
Do not pull away the connector lock on tab to hard as plastic and can break
With the TSB done and the low temp 86 C switch being out of the picture no need to test that
There have been cases where the fans themselves go bad
The fan control relay module is under the car just fwd of the left tire , you might find it mounted upside down , I could shake mine and hear water inside
Remember you need the white color module only from the X300 and not the black version of the V8 powered X308
You can move the connector from the right fan to left and see how your key on behavior responds , this is just a fan motor check / comparison
Do not pull away the connector lock on tab to hard as plastic and can break
With the TSB done and the low temp 86 C switch being out of the picture no need to test that
There have been cases where the fans themselves go bad
The fan control relay module is under the car just fwd of the left tire , you might find it mounted upside down , I could shake mine and hear water inside
Remember you need the white color module only from the X300 and not the black version of the V8 powered X308
Last edited by Parker 7; 10-23-2022 at 10:47 AM.
#110
See item # 5 , LNA6702AA superseded by LNA6702AB
Genuine Relays For Jaguar Xj 1995 - 1997 (from 720125 To 812255) Classic | Jaguar Land Rover Classic Parts
Compared to item # 5 for the V8, LJA6702AA
Genuine Relays For Jaguar Xj 1998 - 2003 (from 812317 To F59525) Classic | Jaguar Land Rover Classic Parts
Genuine Relays For Jaguar Xj 1995 - 1997 (from 720125 To 812255) Classic | Jaguar Land Rover Classic Parts
Compared to item # 5 for the V8, LJA6702AA
Genuine Relays For Jaguar Xj 1998 - 2003 (from 812317 To F59525) Classic | Jaguar Land Rover Classic Parts
#111
to test for intermittent fan system,( relay module and fan motors ) do the paper clip on the 3 wire temp switch on the radiator and count the successes
and then you can bring the right fan connector over to the left fan motor if you need to and test that way
The whole fan shroud lifts up and out with the 2 bolts on the top tangs
You can run the individual fan motors with a car battery or battery charger
The Back wire for the left fan will be the negitive post
The Black / White wire for the right fan
A battery charger or battery will not harm the motors as the motor has electrical resistance
and then you can bring the right fan connector over to the left fan motor if you need to and test that way
The whole fan shroud lifts up and out with the 2 bolts on the top tangs
You can run the individual fan motors with a car battery or battery charger
The Back wire for the left fan will be the negitive post
The Black / White wire for the right fan
A battery charger or battery will not harm the motors as the motor has electrical resistance
Last edited by Parker 7; 10-23-2022 at 03:46 PM.
#113
You will have to look at the wire colors , the 2 white wires will have power , not as a high muscle power but a feeler or sensing power of 12 volts
The black wire will be a car frame ground , and this ground needs to be good for the whole thing to work
Position 2 and 3 across the connector will be feeler power and you need to verify this first with the meter on the voltage setting
only after verifying voltage on 2 and 3 turn the meter switch to resistance and only put it on the connector 1 position
Otherwise you will blow the fuse inside the meter
The resistance should be close to 0
the ground stud post should be behind the left headlight under the air filter housing and there will be about 4 wires on the same ground stud
You did prove both fans work in the high mode once which is a good sign
You may have to repeat the same test several times to see a intermittent fail
This will be several times white wire ( 2 ) to black ( 1 ) and then several times the other white wire ( 3 ) to black ( 1 )
You can put a bread twisty or tape flag on the black wire to keep quick track of it as the connector gets twisted around in your hand
The black wire will be a car frame ground , and this ground needs to be good for the whole thing to work
Position 2 and 3 across the connector will be feeler power and you need to verify this first with the meter on the voltage setting
only after verifying voltage on 2 and 3 turn the meter switch to resistance and only put it on the connector 1 position
Otherwise you will blow the fuse inside the meter
The resistance should be close to 0
the ground stud post should be behind the left headlight under the air filter housing and there will be about 4 wires on the same ground stud
You did prove both fans work in the high mode once which is a good sign
You may have to repeat the same test several times to see a intermittent fail
This will be several times white wire ( 2 ) to black ( 1 ) and then several times the other white wire ( 3 ) to black ( 1 )
You can put a bread twisty or tape flag on the black wire to keep quick track of it as the connector gets twisted around in your hand
Last edited by Parker 7; 10-25-2022 at 06:30 PM.
#114
You will have to look at the wire colors , the 2 white wires will have power , not as a high muscle power but a feeler or sensing power of 12 volts
The black wire will be a car frame ground , and this ground needs to be good for the whole thing to work
Position 2 and 3 across the connector will be feeler power and you need to verify this first with the meter on the voltage setting
only after verifying voltage on 2 and 3 turn the meter switch to resistance and only put it on the connector 1 position
Otherwise you will blow the fuse inside the meter
The resistance should be close to 0
the ground stud post should be behind the left headlight under the air filter housing and there will be about 4 wires on the same ground stud
You did prove both fans work in the high mode once which is a good sign
You may have to repeat the same test several times to see a intermittent fail
This will be several times white wire ( 2 ) to black ( 1 ) and then several times the other white wire ( 3 ) to black ( 1 )
You can put a bread twisty or tape flag on the black wire to keep quick track of it as the connector gets twisted around in your hand
The black wire will be a car frame ground , and this ground needs to be good for the whole thing to work
Position 2 and 3 across the connector will be feeler power and you need to verify this first with the meter on the voltage setting
only after verifying voltage on 2 and 3 turn the meter switch to resistance and only put it on the connector 1 position
Otherwise you will blow the fuse inside the meter
The resistance should be close to 0
the ground stud post should be behind the left headlight under the air filter housing and there will be about 4 wires on the same ground stud
You did prove both fans work in the high mode once which is a good sign
You may have to repeat the same test several times to see a intermittent fail
This will be several times white wire ( 2 ) to black ( 1 ) and then several times the other white wire ( 3 ) to black ( 1 )
You can put a bread twisty or tape flag on the black wire to keep quick track of it as the connector gets twisted around in your hand
I only have 1 white wire, Its about half the size of the other wires and theres no voltage on it with key in run
Black confirm ground
12v on #3 with key off
#2 is also going to ground
which circuit should get power whence in run pos?
Does the refrigerant triple pressure switch have anything to do with it ?
Last edited by sturner; 10-28-2022 at 03:29 PM.
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Parker 7 (10-28-2022)
#115
Thinking and comparing to mine
If I remember correctly with the key in the run position and engine not running the paper clip on the 3 wire connector will give you both modes f
Away from the 3 wire temp switch if you remove the 4 wire connector on the freon pressure switch and jumper wire X to Y you will get high fan mode
Editing
If I remember correctly with the key in the run position and engine not running the paper clip on the 3 wire connector will give you both modes f
Away from the 3 wire temp switch if you remove the 4 wire connector on the freon pressure switch and jumper wire X to Y you will get high fan mode
Editing
#116
Well, Don't know what I did but I did it good, I jumped the hot wire to the other 3 circuits on this switch got nothing but now the car won't start, everything seems to boot up and the lights go away on the dash like normal but nothing when turning the key to start no click nothing, I didn't notice before but the red SRS AIRBAG LIGHT comes on in the start pos, I jump the relay car starts and al lights go out
#117
The 4 wire connector on the freon lines is for high fan mode ( 20 bar freon pressure ) and the other 2 wires on the same 4 wire connector will disengage the compressor if below 2 bars ( under serviced freon ) and higher then 27 bars ( too high working pressure )
The 2 black wires in the 4 wire connector are grounds
This 4 wire connector has no effect on the starter circuit or the BPM
With the key in the run position and engine not running the right engine compartment fuse box relay must click every time the relay is removed and reinstalled
this is the same case with the left heel board fuse box relay and the right heelboard fuse box and trunk fuse box
The 2 black wires in the 4 wire connector are grounds
This 4 wire connector has no effect on the starter circuit or the BPM
With the key in the run position and engine not running the right engine compartment fuse box relay must click every time the relay is removed and reinstalled
this is the same case with the left heel board fuse box relay and the right heelboard fuse box and trunk fuse box
Last edited by Parker 7; 10-29-2022 at 01:32 PM.
#118
The 4 wire connector on the freon lines is for high fan mode ( 20 bar freon pressure ) and the other 2 wires on the same 4 wire connector will disengage the compressor if below 2 bars ( under serviced freon ) and higher then 27 bars ( too high working pressure )
The 2 black wires in the 4 wire connector are grounds
This 4 wire connector has no effect on the starter circuit or the BPM
With the key in the run position and engine not running the right engine compartment fuse box relay must click every time the relay is removed and reinstalled
this is the same case with the left heel board fuse box relay and the right heelboard fuse box and trunk fuse box
The 2 black wires in the 4 wire connector are grounds
This 4 wire connector has no effect on the starter circuit or the BPM
With the key in the run position and engine not running the right engine compartment fuse box relay must click every time the relay is removed and reinstalled
this is the same case with the left heel board fuse box relay and the right heelboard fuse box and trunk fuse box
Yes they all clicked,,,No click from left eng bay fusebox relay