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I followed the JTIS procedures that are available here in Jim Lombardi's excellent post:

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Here is a bunch of JTIS21 extracts that make up the 9 PDF files I created that give instructions & illustrations on the Supercharger Removal & Installation.

The Supercharger R&I PDF calls out 8 other procedures that I also extracted into PDF files. I am not sure that all these procedures are needed (maybe other members have actually removed the supercharger) and there maybe some shortcut methods that have been used.

Here are the PDF files:

XJR 98-03 Supercharger R&I.pdf
Attachment 12165

XJ SC 98-03 Radiator Coolant Drain Fill Bleed R&I.pdf
Attachment 12166

XJ 98-03 Air Cleaner R&I .pdf
Attachment 12167

XJ 98-03 Throttle Body R&I.pdf
Attachment 12168

XJ 98-03 EGR Valve R&I.pdf
Attachment 12169

XJ SC 98-03 Throttle Body Elbow R&I.pdf
Attachment 12170

XJ SC 98-03 Supercharger Outlet Pipe R&I.pdf
Attachment 12171

XJ SC 98-03 Coolant Outlet Pipe R&I.pdf (new pdf with SC info in place of old pdf without SC info) change made 11/19/2012
Attachment 26326

XJ SC 98-03 Supercharger Drive Belt R&I.pdf
Attachment 12173

Wow, seems like a lot of work.

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I bought this kit to rebuild the SC:

Fits Jaguar XJR XKR M112 Eaton supercharger Rebuild Needle Snout Bearings Seal | eBay




And I bought these Valley Hoses:

NNE3946CA
Jaguar AJ87634 HVAC Heater Hose Heater Hose | eBay

AJ87634
Jaguar NNE3946CA HVAC Heater Hose Heater Hose | eBay

The job to remove the SC from the vehicle took a little over 2 hours to do alone, and was pretty straightfoward. I did have my dad help on actually lifting the SC out since I didn't want to juggle it and bang it around and possibly snag wiring and vacuum hoses. That was maybe a minute of fiddling.

Things went EXACTLY to plan and the docs are EXCELLENT, and I only broke a small t-connector on a throttle body vacuum hose ($5 on ebay from jaguarpartsplace), and realized that the connector from the coolant overflow tank to the thermostat housing ($16 on ebay from rusnak jaguar) was cracked internally on the norma connector, and the stupid fitting for the brake booster vacuum line to the throttle elbow ($15 from jaguarpartsplace). I say "only" broke because on Corvettes I've owned, the plastic at this age made it a crapshoot of how brittle and likely something is to break. I usually just bought every single vacuum and plastic hose on that car and replaced them.

Tonight I am sucking out the SC oil, and separating the snout from the body of the SC. My dad is a machinist (I'm a software engineer), and I don't have a great press at home, so he's taking the SC to work and his going to clean the case, snout, the V8 plate and the intercooler manifolds in the parts washer, and then remove and install the 4 bearings sometime this week.

I am also going to be doing a paint job on the SC since it looks like much powder coat is missing and looks really crappy. Per Dr. D's post, I am trying this color:

Originally Posted by Dr. D
Howdy Folks:
About 4 years ago, I found Duplicolor Engine Enamel "DE1651 Cast Coat Iron" (500 Degree Ceramic) to match mine quiet well. It is widely available, even at Walmart. You may want to try some on a sample piece to see if it matches yours.
Since the whole shebang is off the car, it'll match!

Question though, is the 10% pulley really that big of a difference, it's $170 and not hard to machine the snout with access to a full machine shop.

Jaguar s Type R 4 2 4 0 supercharger 10 Performance Pulley 1998 2009 Eaton M112 | eBay
 
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Old 04-20-2016, 02:52 PM
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Last night I tore into the car a little more and also have some pictures!

I put in a new ACDelco water pump that was $46 on RockAuto LINK



I put in new upper shock plate bushings, the $46 + shipping kit from Welsh Enterprises LINK

The job is super easy and OldMike does a great job explaining in his thread here: https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...s-pics-103540/

I pulled the plates and my car looked a little sad here lol:



The complex tools of the trade to do the removal laid out beautifully on the astroturf porch (BFH, 6" 3/8" drive extension, 3/8" to 1/4" reducer):



I didn't take pictures of the bolt, washer and socket that I used to "press" the new bushing setup together. New bushings in before install on car:



Parts removed so far from car since I started Monday night:



It turns out 2 of the pulleys are noisy; the serpentine idler and serpentine tensioner pulley. The SC and serpentine tensioners are good but the pulleys were a bit loud with a bit of resistance. It turns out there is a very affordable replacement, even cheaper than just the bearing from NTN or SKF; the Gates 38028 pulley. This was found to work great by dsetter here: https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...18/#post292843

I bought 2 of them on Amazon Prime for $18 each:
Amazon.com: Gates 38028 Belt Tensioner Pulley: Automotive Amazon.com: Gates 38028 Belt Tensioner Pulley: Automotive

I also took the supercharger apart, removing the snout from the case, and pulling the rotor pack out. I should have removed the pulley bolt before doing this but eh, my dad is going to remove it at work tomorrow when he removes and presses in all the bearings. I'm still debating buying that pulley. I was exhausted and just set the parts on towels in the garage (cramped since I'm mid engine rebuild on an Audi A4). They've been moved to the table so I don't accidentally damage anything.





Agenda for tonight is to remove the intercooler manifolds, install a MAF sensor in my mom's car (easy on a 3800 V6 Impala), removal and install new valley hoses and inspect all of the belt driven accessories. My dad will take the SC parts and intercooler manifolds to work, clean them all in the parts washer, install the new bearings from the kit, and when he brings them home, I am prepping the manifolds and V8 plate for paint then hopefully really shortly will have some pretty manifolds instead of what I have now...
 
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Good to know! i am defiantly watching this thread...going to do mine soon too! you also broke the same T vac line as me :/ do you happen to have a part number for the brake booster "gasket??" that connects to the elbow i believe...mine had some sort of black chewing gum to hold it in place.

also if you have not order heat reflective tape from online its about 5 dollars online and its 2" by 26ft and wrap the new hoses with it and clamp it in place.

also i am changing the water pump 30 dollars online and thermostat 10 dollars local store and temp sensor on the housing 7 dollars online might as well do a little more preventative maintenance.

if you can please tell me what size vacc hoses did you get? so i can get some as well...good luck
 
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Originally Posted by Gopi Hira
Good to know! i am defiantly watching this thread...going to do mine soon too! you also broke the same T vac line as me :/ do you happen to have a part number for the brake booster "gasket??" that connects to the elbow i believe...mine had some sort of black chewing gum to hold it in place.

also if you have not order heat reflective tape from online its about 5 dollars online and its 2" by 26ft and wrap the new hoses with it and clamp it in place.

also i am changing the water pump 30 dollars online and thermostat 10 dollars local store and temp sensor on the housing 7 dollars online might as well do a little more preventative maintenance.

if you can please tell me what size vacc hoses did you get? so i can get some as well...good luck
For the vacuum pipe to brake booster seal you're talking about is JLM21101: Jaguar Genuine Seal Valve JLM21101 | eBay

I broke the weird seal thing going from that same pipe but into the throttle body elbow: Jaguar Brake Booster Hose Connector Kit C2S15816 | eBay

That link is to a seller on ebay, jaguarpartsplace aka Engel Imports aka Terry's Jag, who at least to me ships LIGHTNING fast (they're about an hour away, but they still get it out the door same day within hours sometimes even minutes).

For the vacuum hoses, I actually just buy them local at NAPA. I keep several feet of vacuum soft hose at home in the common inner and outer diameter sizes as whenever I work on a car I hate old vacuum hoses. I've spent too much time diagnosing easy to prevent vacuum leaks. For vacuum hard tubing I actually buy it at autozone:

Dorman/AutoGrade 1/4 in. dia. x 3 ft. length multi-purpose tubing 47421 - Read Reviews on Dorman #47421

Dorman/AutoGrade 5/32 in. dia. x 3 ft. length multi-purpose tubing 47418 - Read 1 Reviews on Dorman #47418

Dorman/AutoGrade 1/8 in. dia. x 3 ft. length multi-purpose tubing 47417 - Read Reviews on Dorman #47417
 
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Well between rain and work I didn't get really much done other than new valley hoses. I'm in Philadelphia for a conference all this week and just last night my XKR got keyed pretty good, so I'm focusing on that right now.

On the plus side, free paint work! It's on the panel with clear coat issues anyway lol.
 
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I'm back and have found I have bad bearings in my rotor pack; anyone have a good used M112 or M112 rotor pack they want to sell me?
 
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2 bolts and 2 cable ties and you can remove the fan assembly for a lot more room in there.
I just replace all the bearings idler and tensioner instead of buying pulleys, I've posted part numbers in a few threads, being a 98 they might be different, are there any plastic?.

I should trademark the BFH hope you had a beer after that job, satisfying!
 

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Originally Posted by 80sRule
I'm back and have found I have bad bearings in my rotor pack; anyone have a good used M112 or M112 rotor pack they want to sell me?
There was one in the Marketplace with a carbon fiber coating (inlet, intercoolers and SC intake). He had a knock in the lower part of the motor and was selling the top end.
 
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There was one in the Marketplace with a carbon fiber coating (inlet, intercoolers and SC intake). He had a knock in the lower part of the motor and was selling the top end.
His listing is actually just for the intercoolers and top output plate.. No supercharger included. But there are usually a few used superchargers listed on eBay that the OP could buy.
 
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There's a s/c for sale in CT. Not mine
2003 xjr jaguar supercharger and transmission
 
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Thanks for the correction Johnny_B, he could also check with Coventry West, they have used parts they scrap from their vehicles.
 
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Originally Posted by Sean B
4 bolts and 2 cable ties and you can remove the fan assembly for a lot more room in there.
I just replace all the bearings idler and tensioner instead of buying pulleys, I've posted part numbers in a few threads, being a 98 they might be different, are there any plastic?.

I should trademark the BFH hope you had a beer after that job, satisfying!
Oddly finding the NTN or SKF bearings, it was actually cheaper to buy the pulleys from Amazon than the bearings.
 
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Originally Posted by 80sRule
Oddly finding the NTN or SKF bearings, it was actually cheaper to buy the pulleys from Amazon than the bearings.
Really?....the pulleys are generally $35+ and the bearing is only $4.50.
 
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Really?....the pulleys are generally $35+ and the bearing is only $4.50.
I bought the Amazon linked ones and they were $18 each shipped. The bearings I found were more than that. Do you have a link where you bought the bearings? My XKR has a new SC idler bearing but it has 96k miles and I'd like to replace the serpentine idler bearing and serpentine tensioner pulley bearing, especially at that price.
 
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but always available.
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Originally Posted by 80sRule
I bought the Amazon linked ones and they were $18 each shipped. The bearings I found were more than that. Do you have a link where you bought the bearings? My XKR has a new SC idler bearing but it has 96k miles and I'd like to replace the serpentine idler bearing and serpentine tensioner pulley bearing, especially at that price.
Here's the results...Amazon.com: 6303-2RS Bearing 17x47x14 Sealed Ball Bearings: Industrial & Scientific
....using 6303-2RS Bearing 17x47x14 Sealed Ball Bearings as the search from my order just a couple months ago.
 
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Same as I said in my other thread, the SC is off to Spinningwheels-SC to get the rotor pack redid.

https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...2/#post1472004
 
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